President Biden thread

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

So Trump was threatening more war rather than attempt to evacuate the vulnerable? 

No. He was making sure the Taliban did what they agreed to. Not all millitary intervention is "war". They took him seriously and knew he would hold them accountable. Not like the current potato who is now giving "humanitarian aid" to Afganistan that is now run by the Taliban. 

I mean seriously! Biden messed this up. Allot of people make mistakes. It becomes a problem when accountability for those mistakes is not happening. Not to mention lying about it either. 

Don't worry tho, admitting Bided messed up royally doesn't mean ypu love the orange man. It's okay!!  Holding Brandin I mean Biden accountable doesn't mean you love Trump. 

3 hours ago, nursej22 said:

Where's the part in Trump's great plan where he provided for the safety of "' brown women' and children at the hands of child raping gay bashing maniacs"? 

But where in any of Trumps plan did Biden follow?  He had dismissed, overwritten all of Trumps policies. It's interesting tho this one he messed up was conveniently the one he followed. So disingenuous! 

35 minutes ago, Cclm said:

No. He was making sure the Taliban did what they agreed to. Not all millitary intervention is "war". They took him seriously and knew he would hold them accountable. Not like the current potato who is now giving "humanitarian aid" to Afganistan that is now run by the Taliban. 

I mean seriously! Biden messed this up. Allot of people make mistakes. It becomes a problem when accountability for those mistakes is not happening. Not to mention lying about it either. 

Don't worry tho, admitting Bided messed up royally doesn't mean ypu love the orange man. It's okay!!  Holding Brandin I mean Biden accountable doesn't mean you love Trump. 

I don't agree that withdrawing the troops is evidence that Biden messed up.  I'd love to talk about accountability though. 

By the way, who was it that elevated the Taliban above the Afghanistan government and even negotiated the release of 5000 Taliban prisoners beside inviting the Taliban to Camp David? Who made certain that the Taliban was in control in Afghanistan? Admitting that Trump has his fingerprints all over that mess doesn't mean that you love Biden. 

28 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I don't agree that withdrawing the troops is evidence that Biden messed up.  I'd love to talk about accountability though. 

By the way, who was it that elevated the Taliban above the Afghanistan government and even negotiated the release of 5000 Taliban prisoners beside inviting the Taliban to Camp David? Who made certain that the Taliban was in control in Afghanistan? Admitting that Trump has his fingerprints all over that mess doesn't mean that you love Biden. 

Actually I do like Biden. He makes me laugh. If I was going to vote Democrat I would have voted him. Except I think his cognition is declining. 

The prisoners were released under Biden anyway. Trump invited the Taliban so he could explain to them what they had to do and to negotiate something between them and the Afgan government.  Inteads of blaming the Afgan military for failing to secure the government, . Thats what Biden did. He then cancelled ithe meeting and called off peace talks after they claimed a terrorist bombing.  What's the difference between that and meeting with Putin or China's president? 

Having it at camp David and on Sept. 11 was stupid cringe Trump. 

Biden messed this up royally and then blamed everyone else and lied. 

54 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I don't agree that withdrawing the troops is evidence that Biden messed up.  I'd love to talk about accountability though. 

By the way, who was it that elevated the Taliban above the Afghanistan government and even negotiated the release of 5000 Taliban prisoners beside inviting the Taliban to Camp David? Who made certain that the Taliban was in control in Afghanistan? Admitting that Trump has his fingerprints all over that mess doesn't mean that you love Biden. 

Again. It is HOW he withdrew them, not that he decided to. It was already decided. You know Trumps plan that Biden followed but not really? 

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I don't agree that withdrawing the troops is evidence that Biden messed up.  I'd love to talk about accountability though. 

By the way, who was it that elevated the Taliban above the Afghanistan government and even negotiated the release of 5000 Taliban prisoners beside inviting the Taliban to Camp David? Who made certain that the Taliban was in control in Afghanistan? Admitting that Trump has his fingerprints all over that mess doesn't mean that you love Biden. 

When your secretary of state is posing with the Taliban leader, one can assume that Trump believes that he and Pompeo have made a deal.  You think they would have learned from North Korea fiasco.  

3 hours ago, chare said:

No, it was Mr. Trumps pandemic for ~1 year.  It has been Mr. Biden's pandemic for 9 months now.

If Trump had not aligned himself with Maduro and Bolsinaro in his avoidance of the principles of epidemiology, we wouldn't be having this conversation.   He used the pandemic as a weapon to bludgeon those who disagreed with him.  This IS his pandemic.  He threw fuel into the flames to secure a re-election.  We should be in the position of the Scandinavian countries .His reelection took precedence over the physical, social and economic needs of the country.  We really have no alternative except for vaccination and Biden us getting that done.  Good for him.  We are moving forward, not like the Trump years when we moved backwards.

3 hours ago, nursej22 said:

Housing prices are up in part because of border policies restricting workers who would normally be doing construction. Gas prices are up related to Hurricane Ida and OPEC decisions. And yes, supply chains are just plain messed up at every step. It looks an opportunity for holidays to less commercial, in my opinion. Not everyone needs a new smart phone or flat screen, or the lastest molded plastic toy. 

Amen

7 hours ago, Cclm said:

You mean this? 

"Talks continued in Doha, and in February 2020, Trump announced that there was a deal. The basic contours: The United States was to get out of Afghanistan in 14 months and, in exchange, the Taliban agreed not to let Afghanistan become a haven for terrorists and to stop attacking U.S. service members.

The deal laid out an explicit timetable for the United States and NATO to pull out their forces: In the first 100 days or so, they would reduce troops from 14,000 to 8,600 and leave five military bases. Over the next nine months, they would vacate all the rest. “The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will complete withdrawal of all remaining forces from Afghanistan within the remaining nine and a half (9.5) months,” the deal reads. “The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will withdraw all their forces from remaining bases.”" 

He added as an aside: “If bad things happen, we’ll go back with a force like no one’s ever seen.”

https://www.MSN.com/en-us/news/world/trumps-deal-with-the-taliban-explained/ar-AANxQet

Looks like Biden didn't follow Trumps plan very well. Even after giving himself more time. 

I'm not clear how it Biden didn't follow Trump's "if bad things happen..." vague and apparently empty threat.

Following the agreement with the Taliban in February (Trump didn't include the Afghan government in the talks) the Taliban attacked a group of Afghan soldiers who were accompanied by US soldiers, which appeared to possibly violate the agreement.  But the Trump administration, and then even Trump himself confirmed that the deal was still on.  What are you referring to?

3 hours ago, Cclm said:

Again. It is HOW he withdrew them, not that he decided to. It was already decided. You know Trumps plan that Biden followed but not really? 

The troops were withdrawn according to the military planning for withdrawal of the troops.  The military planned that, not the executive.  Biden gave the order and expected that the military could complete the task. 

Or are you saying that it was Trump that decided to leave no troops in Afghanistan even though some of the military leadership recommended leaving a small contingent? That's odd, if it was Trump's plan why were you so upset that Biden did it?

52 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

The troops were withdrawn according to the military planning for withdrawal of the troops.  The military planned that, not the executive.  Biden gave the order and expected that the military could complete the task. 

Or are you saying that it was Trump that decided to leave no troops in Afghanistan even though some of the military leadership recommended leaving a small contingent? That's odd, if it was Trump's plan why were you so upset that Biden did it?

I was being sarcastic. It wasn't trumps plan. Only as  the scapegoat that it was Trumps plan and that's why it bombed. Biden gave an order contrary to what his advisors said. And lied about it.