President Biden thread

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

So you aren't interested in any other context. That's pretty evident.  Now that you've decided that Biden just screwed it all up what is there to talk about? Apparently there's no need to examine anything that occurred before January 20, 2021 relative to the Afghanistan troop withdrawal, eh? 

OK.  You can just skip the part where the military and Congress and the press will examine every aspect of what happened and why, over the next month's and years.  You are welcome to skip our discussions of the investigations into how Trump authored this final exodus out of the middle east. Or the failures of the state department.  There's so much that we don't know yet about the mischief that Trump's sycophants engaged in during the last year of his troubled and incompetent presidency. 

 

This is a President Biden thread. So you've reminded me many times. 

This is what Biden did not Trump. 

If there were issues with the prior withdrawal plan so be it. This is about what happened under Bidem. The withdrawal is his and his only. His administration, his generals his screw up. The least he could do is apologize for his drone murder of children. 

29 minutes ago, Cclm said:

This is a President Biden thread. So you've reminded me many times. 

This is what Biden did not Trump. 

If there were issues with the prior withdrawal plan so be it. This is about what happened under Bidem. The withdrawal is his and his only. His administration, his generals his screw up. The least he could do is apologize for his drone murder of children. 

Sure.

Does that mean that you don't want to talk about what contributed to the mess? Do you think there should be congressional investigations into what happened? I do.  

I wonder though, would you want any investigation into the Afghanistan withdrawal to look at what decisions or plans were made prior to January 20?

Biden is in support of an investigation into the circumstances surrounding that tragic drone strike. He accepts responsibility for those drone missions, having reversed the Trump rules which allowed the CIA and military to strike targets independently of white house approval.  

It was pretty unprecedented for the Defense Secretary to apologize, but he did.  

How upset were you by Afghanistan civilian deaths prior to the recent events?

Trump pledged to stop 'endless wars' but his airstrikes in Afghanistan increased civilian deaths by 330% since 2016

2 hours ago, Beerman said:

Hard to say, as you haven't acknowledged he screwed up or lied.

That's right.  I don't think that Biden is a liar and I don't think that he was the person who planned the logistics for the withdrawal.  I think that he gave the orders and expected the military and state department to get it done.  I am not surprised that it didn't go well.  I wish that I was, but I have some real concerns about our military.

So, what else is there to discuss about Biden's interview and "lie" then? It's OK for us to have different opinions about that. As I have said before, you and I have completely different standards for what constitutes lying and incompetence in a president.  

Do you think that more of the special visa applicants could have been processed and those people could have been evacuated earlier than they were? Why do you think the state department stopped processing those visas in 2020?

33 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Yes.  To me it means he is taking responsibility for his decisions.  He clearly is not.

Keeping troops there would have deterred the Taliban.  And, anyway, you and Muno are offering up an explanation that Biden has not.  He is hard to follow as he contradicts himself (we haven't even touched on that).  He said the recommendation wasn't unanimous, or he doesn't recall getting it.  Either way, he hasn't defended his decision using the reason you and Muno offered.

Do you believe that the military leadership believed that 2500 troops were going to deter the Taliban after the 31st? I believe that their testimony reflected that they believed that any remaining troops after that date would have been targeted, suffered casualties and required reinforcements...thus prolonging that war. They testified that all of the military leaders and advisors gave their appraisals and recommendations and the Commander in Chief made an acceptable choice from the range of options and contingencies that were discussed. 

Biden hires communication staff like Psaki to defend and clarify his policy and position in the press.  

28 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Sure.

Does that mean that you don't want to talk about what contributed to the mess? Do you think there should be congressional investigations into what happened? I do.  

I wonder though, would you want any investigation into the Afghanistan withdrawal to look at what decisions or plans were made prior to January 20?

Biden is in support of an investigation into the circumstances surrounding that tragic drone strike. He accepts responsibility for those drone missions, having reversed the Trump rules which allowed the CIA and military to strike targets independently of white house approval.  

It was pretty unprecedented for the Defense Secretary to apologize, but he did.  

How upset were you by Afghanistan civilian deaths prior to the recent events?

Trump pledged to stop 'endless wars' but his airstrikes in Afghanistan increased civilian deaths by 330% since 2016

No. Right nn

49 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

That's right.  I don't think that Biden is a liar and I don't think that he was the person who planned planned the logistics of the withdrawal.  I think that he gave the orders and expected the military and state department to get it done.  I am not surprised that it didn't go well.  I wish that I was, but I have some real concerns about our military.

So, what else is there to discuss about Biden's interview and "lie" then? It's OK for us to have different opinions about that. As I have said before, you and I have completely different standards for what constitutes lying and incompetence in a president.  

Do you think that more of the special visa applicants could have been processed and those people could have been evacuated earlier than they were? Why do you think the state department stopped processing those visas in 2020?

It okay to have different opinions now hey?Because it's about Biden, not Trump

Right Perhaps you've been watching your left wing propaganda.  Probably cnn. 

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However, Trump would have never let it go down like that. I know you'll say Trump wanted May 3ithdrawl. Yes bit it would have been a controlled withdrawal with the Taliban needing to meet conditions he set. If may came, he would have said too bad. We are staying until demands were met. The Taliban take him seriously, Biden not so much. 

He most certainly would never have left billion of military equipment either. 

But the big hypocrisy is with you. Just think, what would you say if this happened under Trump. I don't expect you to be honest, not even to yourself. 

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

That's right.  I don't think that Biden is a liar and I don't think that he was the person who planned planned the logistics of the withdrawal.  I think that he gave the orders and expected the military and state department to get it done.  I am not surprised that it didn't go well.  I wish that I was, but I have some real concerns about our military.

So, what else is there to discuss about Biden's interview and "lie" then? It's OK for us to have different opinions about that. As I have said before, you and I have completely different standards for what constitutes lying and incompetence in a president.  

Do you think that more of the special visa applicants could have been processed and those people could have been evacuated earlier than they were? Why do you think the state department stopped processing those visas in 2020?

Because they don't even screen half the people coming in from Afghanistan or the southern border. Nor vet them or vaccinate them either. So no, I don't think special visas could be processed earlier, as the competence is not there as demonstrated with all the issues happening. Ppl

5 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

So you aren't interested in any other context. That's pretty evident.  Now that you've decided that Biden just screwed it all up what is there to talk about? Apparently there's no need to examine anything that occurred before January 20, 2021 relative to the Afghanistan troop withdrawal, eh? 

OK.  You can just skip the part where the military and Congress and the press will examine every aspect of what happened and why, over the next month's and years.  You are welcome to skip our discussions of the investigations into how Trump authored this final exodus out of the middle east. Or the failures of the state department.  There's so much that we don't know yet about the mischief that Trump's sycophants engaged in during the last year of his troubled and incompetent presidency. 

 

Yeah. Bidiots believe all that conspiracy.  Propaganda 

10 hours ago, Cclm said:

My ideas? How about my 12 year old son. "Do not pull the military before the civilians and allies". 

My father is a Vietnam Veteran and the 2 are not comparable. Remember the helicopters being dumped into the ocean? Yeah. So the VC wasn't able to utilize them. The VC are very different than the Taliban. When the war ended, the VC pretty much did too. Try again... 

We didn't pull the military before the civilians and allies, so I'm not sure what that's in reference to.

Other than "Biden is bad, insert reason here" I'm not sure what your stance is.  Best as I can tell, it's that he went against the military's recommendation on leaving troops in Afghanistan, but yet he did go along with the military's recommendations on the timing of the withdrawl of troops relative to the evacuation.  So Biden is wrong because he both listens to and doesn't listen to the military?

33 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Yeah. Bidiots believe all that conspiracy.  Propaganda 

You have spent quite a bit of time scolding others for generalizing others based on their political views and for offering degrading comments of others based on their political views.  I guess that's over now?

2 hours ago, Beerman said:

Yes.  To me it means he is taking responsibility for his decisions.  He clearly is not.

Keeping troops there would have deterred the Taliban.  And, anyway, you and Muno are offering up an explanation that Biden has not.  He is hard to follow as he contradicts himself (we haven't even touched on that).  He said the recommendation wasn't unanimous, or he doesn't recall getting it.  Either way, he hasn't defended his decision using the reason you and Muno offered.

He gave a 26 minute speech explaining why, among other things, he was not going to leave troops in Afghanistan.  

I think part of it is also that I'm not sure how much explanation it needs.  Their recommendation to leave 2500 troops in Afghanistan, obviously isn't a recommendation to leave 2500 troops in Afghanistan.  2500 troops would necessitate the need for additional troops since 2500 troops in Afghanistan isn't sustainable, that's enough to be a target but not enough to be able to hold their ground long term.  This isn't an unknown, we've been there for more than 20 years and have never been able to get by with that few troops up until the withdrawl.

45 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Because they don't even screen half the people coming in from Afghanistan or the southern border. Nor vet them or vaccinate them either. So no, I don't think special visas could be processed earlier, as the competence is not there as demonstrated with all the issues happening. Ppl

Did you know that the plan for ending American military presence in Afghanistan began in 2020 and that by January 20, 2020 the American state department, under the previous administration processed none of the special visa applications and vetted no Afghanistan evacuees? 

You didn't offer a citation for your erroneous claim that the Afghan refugees, is that because you heard that in cable or radio commentary? There does seem to be some rigorous vetting in place before they are resettled in the USA. 

Special visas weren't processed during Trump's last year because of incompetence...is that your point?