President Biden thread

16 hours ago, Tweety said:

I guess we feel differently what the "buck stop here" means.   To me it means he made the final decision.  

But I won't worry that we disagree on semantics.  Because ultimately yes people got killed.  

I agree with you there were plans already in place to withdraw and Biden stuck to the timeline that Trump committed to.

I have to agree with Muno.  What would have happened to the 2,500 remaining troops after the Taliban marched into the city that those generals wanted to stay?  They would have been targets, and the military would have said "we need more troops" which is what we did for 20 years. 

I understand that people that don't support Biden would harp on the disaster and investigate.   I understand that and we can't sugar coat the mess.  

 

Fair enough. I'm just holding Biden to the standard Trump would be.But hardly because if this was Trump, imagine the theatrics. Impeachment, FB investigation , special congress hearing ...... ..

12 hours ago, MunoRN said:

We didn't pull the military before the civilians and allies, so I'm not sure what that's in reference to.

Other than "Biden is bad, insert reason here" I'm not sure what your stance is.  Best as I can tell, it's that he went against the military's recommendation on leaving troops in Afghanistan, but yet he did go along with the military's recommendations on the timing of the withdrawl of troops relative to the evacuation.  So Biden is wrong because he both listens to and doesn't listen to the military?

You have spent quite a bit of time scolding others for generalizing others based on their political views and for offering degrading comments of others based on their political views.  I guess that's over now?

Really?  You haven't read back. I purposely worded it like that to reflect what has been said to me and others. I have been called Trumper, propagandist, ignorant, brian washed, white supremacists and  Nazi because I like Trump. 

9 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Really?  You haven't read back. I purposely worded it like that to reflect what has been said to me and others. I have been called Trumper, propagandist, ignorant, brian washed, white supremacists and  Nazi because I like Trump. 

You don't seem very opposed to that when you're doing it yourself.

20 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

You don't seem very opposed to that when you're doing it yourself.

I mostly do not. Very rarely I'm trying to show an example. Read back and you will see. That fact you take issue, proves my point. Not acceptable right?  

4 minutes ago, Cclm said:

I mostly do not. Very rarely I'm trying to show an example. Read back and you will see. That fact you take issue, proves my point. Not acceptable right?  

I would hope you would extend your concern to other repete offenders on this thread as well. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you would as I'm not very familiar with you. 

58 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Fair enough. I'm just holding Biden to the standard Trump would be.But hardly because if this was Trump, imagine the theatrics. Impeachment, FB investigation , special congress hearing ...... ..

 

 

I do not think Biden "lied" personally. I think he was told what to say. I think very few things he says or does is his own independent decisions.or over reliance on his advisors.  However if he would answer questions or explain himself that would be more helpful. However he does not. That to me is the biggest indicator of deception from him. 

As for the drone  strike.... Every military under every administration has made mistakes. However the lack of comment from Biden and the deception from the military before they admitted it puts me off. 

53 minutes ago, Cclm said:

However if he would answer questions or explain himself that would be more helpful. However he does not. That to me is the biggest indicator of deception from him. 

Do you feel like it is better for the POTUS to conduct press briefings rather than the hired communication team and the spokespeople? 

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Do you feel like it is better for the POTUS to conduct press briefings rather than the hired communication team and the spokespeople? 

I believe it is the duty of the POTUS to address his nation in times of tragedy and human loss. To personally take accountability or at the very least acknowledge the crisis' occurring under his administration.  To take non scripted questions from the press. 

Not throw border patrol agents under the bus for inaccurate claims of whipping Haitian migrants to deflect from the actual happenings at the border. To blatantly   walk out of press conferences and tell other world leaders how our "press doesn't always get it". 

You get me wrong. I don't hate Biden. I mostly critique him because of the bias between him and Trump on these threads. I want Biden to do good for the country. 

With that I ask....... If Trump was president and these things were happening under his administration, what would you be saying right now? 

2 hours ago, Cclm said:

I believe it is the duty of the POTUS to address his nation in times of tragedy and human loss. To personally take accountability or at the very least acknowledge the crisis' occurring under his administration.  To take non scripted questions from the press. 

Not throw border patrol agents under the bus for inaccurate claims of whipping Haitian migrants to deflect from the actual happenings at the border. To blatantly   walk out of press conferences and tell other world leaders how our "press doesn't always get it". 

You get me wrong. I don't hate Biden. I mostly critique him because of the bias between him and Trump on these threads. I want Biden to do good for the country. 

With that I ask....... If Trump was president and these things were happening under his administration, what would you be saying right now? 

Biden did address the nation in that time of tragedy and human loss. He does take non scripted questions from the press, just not as often as his critics would prefer. 

Biden displayed some emotion about that incident with the Texas border patrol.  It's sort of hypocritical for a Trump supporter to mention the appearance of throwing someone under a bus.  Maybe you aren't aware of that historical and consistent behavior from Trump, eh? That's why you accuse Biden of that now, because you aren't aware that Trump always has a scapegoat.  Always. Besides, Biden has exactly zero to do with the regional decision to use horses for that purpose...you know that right?

I'm surprised that you are concerned about a POTUS saying an unkind thing about the press. There is no obligation to turn presidential events into media circuses.

You don't need to hypothesize about my response to Trump's particular brand of corrupt and incompetent leadership. Trump's four years of chaotic presidency were filled with lies, incompetence, grifting and chaos. I shared my concerns and horror regularly. You could review those threads.  

2 hours ago, Cclm said:

I mostly do not. Very rarely I'm trying to show an example. Read back and you will see. That fact you take issue, proves my point. Not acceptable right?  

2 hours ago, Cclm said:

I would hope you would extend your concern to other repete offenders on this thread as well. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you would as I'm not very familiar with you. 

I follow the threads regularly so I'm familiar with the back and forth that's been going on.  I don't support petty name calling from either side, although I also don't find who-called-who-what to be all that intriguing compared to substantive debates, so I haven't found much reason to comment.  I would say that the claims of being called a 'nazi' were a bit exaggerated.  Normally making any reference to nazisim is hyperbole, but I don't actually think noting the similarities between Trump's "style" and attributes common to Nazism to be all that absurd.

5 hours ago, Cclm said:

Fair enough. I'm just holding Biden to the standard Trump would be.But hardly because if this was Trump, imagine the theatrics. Impeachment, FB investigation , special congress hearing ...... ..

 

 

Trump was impeached because he and/or his staff solicited political help from foreign countries not once but twice, if you're suggesting anything worth criticizing Biden over, which is certainly plenty, is automatically equivocal to that sort of thing then that's a bit silly.

4 hours ago, Cclm said:

I do not think Biden "lied" personally. I think he was told what to say. I think very few things he says or does is his own independent decisions.or over reliance on his advisors.  However if he would answer questions or explain himself that would be more helpful. However he does not. That to me is the biggest indicator of deception from him. 

As for the drone  strike.... Every military under every administration has made mistakes. However the lack of comment from Biden and the deception from the military before they admitted it puts me off. 

Typical protocol has always been that the President doesn't get out in front of the military and apologize for something on their behalf, if that had happened, that would be the scandal and a valid one at that.