President Biden thread

1 hour ago, subee said:

Sometimes the edit command works for me and sometimes it doesn't.  I did try on that one:)

I know. I was being cheeky.  I apologize.  Got caught up in the frustration. I didn't really want to insult you personally, well maybe at the time(tbh) However it's not my usual style and I always feel bad afterwards. I apologize for that. 

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

You should spend less time listening to the opinion of right wing commentators about the president's cognitive abilities and more time actually listening to the speech patterns of the president himself.  When one compares the current president's verbal capacity to the capacity of the previous presidents, Biden measures up pretty well.  The commemoration of 9/11 provided opportunity to compare those men and even Bush sounded eloquent and erudite.

There was recently a president who regularly published or spoke in word salad and seemed to have a childish comprehension of history.  That president was known for emotional outbursts and irritability when challenged.  His recent comments are laced with falsehoods, lies or delusions and ate divisive rather than unifying. Unfortunately, this twice impeached fellow is the leader of the modern conservative political movement in the USA. 

I tried. I really did. I thought you would come back with some useful info. But nope! Right into "right wing commentators" , "recent president", obviously Trump bashing. Bla bla. I try to not make assumptions but the  the only reason why you described Bush as "eloquent" is because he was saying all the right talking points. I bet you thought he was a dumb war criminal nazi when he was in office. After all, he was a conservative.... 

Seriously. Provide some info without going on a right wing Trump bashing rant or stop replying to my comments please. 

19 minutes ago, Cclm said:

I tried. I really did. I thought you would come back with some useful info. But nope! Right into "right wing commentators" , "recent president", obviously Trump bashing. Bla bla. I try to not make assumptions but the  the only reason why you described Bush as "eloquent" is because he was saying all the right talking points. I bet you thought he was a dumb war criminal nazi when he was in office. After all, he was a conservative.... 

Seriously. Provide some info without going on a right wing Trump bashing rant or stop replying to my comments please. 

Since you introduced yourself so. ery late in this  thread and you can't stomach what TMB is saying to you,  you should just put him on ignore and save your stomach lining.  BTW, George Bush was a never Trumper.  Thinking conservatives were never Trumpers , but you might not be familiar with our thinking conservatives here.

49 minutes ago, subee said:

Since you introduced yourself so. ery late in this  thread and you can't stomach what TMB is saying to you,  you should just put him on ignore and save your stomach lining.  BTW, George Bush was a never Trumper.  Thinking conservatives were never Trumpers , but you might not be familiar with our thinking conservatives here.

I considered blocking TMB but I do not block speech of any kind. I've asked what the difference between Trumpers, conservatives, GOP but no one has explained. "Thinking conservatives " is a new one. So I'm not familiar. I have my ideas but do not like to assume. Thank you tho for insinuating that I can not think. If you do not want late entry, please post "we only want to hear our opinions and if youbare new, don't participate". 

I don't know about "Thinking Conservatives", but I consider myself as right of center. I voted for Ben Carson in the Primary, but ultimately voted trump for his foreign trade policy and strong domestic values. 

Biden's current policies that are an overreach of power, relating to vax mandates concerns me. I feel the same way I did during the Bush era 9/11 bill to "protect" that ultimately stole away peoples rights to privacy. 

1 hour ago, Cclm said:

I considered blocking TMB but I do not block speech of any kind. I've asked what the difference between Trumpers, conservatives, GOP but no one has explained. ...

Don't hold your breath waiting on an answer.  If you get one, which is doubtful as I have asked several times, it will likely be ignored or changed in very short order.

35 minutes ago, DaveICURN said:

I don't know about "Thinking Conservatives", but I consider myself as right of center. I voted for Ben Carson in the Primary, but ultimately voted trump for his foreign trade policy and strong domestic values. 

Biden's current policies that are an overreach of power, relating to vax mandates concerns me. I feel the same way I did during the Bush era 9/11 bill to "protect" that ultimately stole away peoples rights to privacy. 

An overreach of power in the interests of public health through an agency charged with addressing safety in the workplace...during a public health emergency.   Okay.  That is certainly something that can be addressed by the courts. 

1 hour ago, Cclm said:

I've asked what the difference between Trumpers, conservatives, GOP but no one has explained.

I think people sort themselves out according to their own criteria. I've said this before.

In my view, "Trumpers" are people who have some fantastical pov related to Trump. They often share and repeat propaganda or political rhetoric based largely in inflammatory opinions of other people. They are inclined to believe and repeat lies. The GOP is the political apparatus that is driving state and national republican policy and legislative priorities.  Conservatives are people who wonder how they fit into a Trump centric, lie focused and narrow minded Republican party. 

14 minutes ago, chare said:

Don't hold your breath waiting on an answer.  If you get one, which is doubtful as I have asked several times, it will likely be ignored or changed in very short order.

You and I didn't previously discuss the reality that you are a conservative but not a Trump supporter? Haven't we discussed whether or not you are included in the group "Trumper" or Trump  supporter before? 

15 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

You and I didn't previously discuss the reality that you are a conservative but not a Trump supporter? Haven't we discussed whether or not you are included in the group "Trumper" or Trump  supporter before? 

You and I?  Yes, we have,  and I appreciate your acknowlwdgement. 

However, and please note I didn't include you in my response, there are several here that still either can't, or won't, make this distinction and still use Republican, conservative, and Trumpist interchangeably.  And, a few include racist and white supremacists as well 

47 minutes ago, chare said:

You and I?  Yes, we have,  and I appreciate your acknowlwdgement. 

However, and please note I didn't include you in my response, there are several here that still either can't, or won't, make this distinction and still use Republican, conservative, and Trumpist interchangeably.  And, a few include racist and white supremacists as well 

Just wondering if someone supported the Third Reich ideology, (Make America Great again) does that also mean that the ends justifies the means? (Nazisim?)....... Insurrection? Demonizing Asians or Hispanics? 

If you know the history, these points will make sense. 

1 hour ago, chare said:

Don't hold your breath waiting on an answer.  If you get one, which is doubtful as I have asked several times, it will likely be ignored or changed in very short order.

No need to hold one's breath.  Conservatives are Republicans who denounce Trump since Trump is not a conservative.  He always was pro-choice and pro-single payer system health care.  "Thinking conservatives" - George Will, Jonah Goldberg, Mona Charon, Andrew Sullivan. Paul Ryan, Ben Sass, Lisa Murkowsky, George Bush, Mitt Romney. Colin Powell, John McCain...any Republican who didn't vote at all before they would vote for Trump.