President Biden thread

8 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

You must agree with that opinion.

Fox News is making a big deal about those left behind that wanted out, apparently 200 Americans.  How 200 Americans got left behind when 116,000ish were rescued I'll never know.  Who are they?

edited:  https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/afghanistan-kabul-taliban-us-news-09-01-21/h_fc4e37e700e5302641f3b68490217743

But the idea is that despite the huge number it wasn't a success.

Senator Graham was on Fox News today saying that you can't believe a word that comes out of Biden's mouth and that he's dangerous.

I think something to consider is the geopolitics of the region. 

Maybe I'm wrong, but I certainly don't credit the stone age Taliban with anything more than stone age intelligence. They have a credo and religious mandate to follow alongside their so very obvious association with hypocrisy and nature of violence. 

I am predicting that factions are going to develop, to fight among themselves for the remaining resources. This will further deteriorate, because this IsisX is also involved. Pakistani Taliban might also rear its ugly head and Iran or Turkey also. 

Remember, Afghanistan, if managed correctly, is a potentially very wealthy country re natural resources, which is why China is being so obsequious. 

Every vacuum needs to be filled and I think Afghanistan will play out politically a hotbed, that whomever gets involved now, will live to rue it. 

8 hours ago, Curious1997 said:

I think something to consider is the geopolitics of the region. 

Maybe I'm wrong, but I certainly don't credit the stone age Taliban with anything more than stone age intelligence. They have a credo and religious mandate to follow alongside their so very obvious association with hypocrisy and nature of violence. 

I am predicting that factions are going to develop, to fight among themselves for the remaining resources. This will further deteriorate, because this IsisX is also involved. Pakistani Taliban might also rear its ugly head and Iran or Turkey also. 

Remember, Afghanistan, if managed correctly, is a potentially very wealthy country re natural resources, which is why China is being so obsequious. 

Every vacuum needs to be filled and I think Afghanistan will play out politically a hotbed, that whomever gets involved now, will live to rue it. 

You might be right.  The Taliban doesn't have control of the whole country and there's ISIS that doesn't like the Taliban and apparently they have presence there.  

I think the idea was that countries will see America as weak, running away with their tail between their legs and be emboldened.  We'll see.

I might add that it was the generals that advised Biden to keep to the plan and withdraw on the agree schedule in order to save the remaining troops from another attack.  Like the Vietnam airlift when America lost her first war, being on the losing side of an endless war isn't pretty and the burden is on Biden for that.  The public supports the withdrawal but not how it worked out.  Fox News, campaigning for the mid-terms will make sure the public continues to see how poorly it was handled and focus on the remainder, and suddenly they are friends of the Afghans with one of their headlines "Does America hear the screams of the Afghan people" when a few a week or so ago they were saying refugees and Afghans were not our problem and we shouldn't be taking them.  

I am bothered that there are Americans "abandoned and left behind" but again, I have to wonder who they are and how it happened and what is being done now.  How did so many Afghans get out but Americans were abandoned by America.  I'm a bit baffled.  I hope people with American passports and/or American born are free to leave soon.

This was a war that was handled wrong by many presidents from the start.  I told you so on these boards back then and I was right.  I said it wouldn't end well.  I'm happy it's over.  

I might add that America's status as the world leader and superpower that can shove and shape the world as she pleases with her might has long been challenged and diminished.

14 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Well, the current president lies all the time.  And had a previous presidential campaign come to a halt because he was dishonest.  So, there's that....

I approve of a campaign proven to be dishonest coming to a halt.

 I think that campaign has already started.  A much re-tweeted tweet by someone of importance, that I've never heard of Tweeted something to the effect "Biden is now the Trump you despised".  They are campaigning on his dishonesty.  Like I said Graham stated that on Fox News yesterday and they will run with that. 

It just might work.  They convinced people that Hilliary was corrupt, that all news is Fake News, it's not a stretch because people already believe Biden is a demented chronic liar and you can't believe anything that comes out of his mouth.

I promise you this, and mark my word, I will vote Green Party, Vegan Party, write in Pluto or Goofy if Biden becomes another Trump.

56 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Well, the current president lies all the time.  And had a previous presidential campaign come to a halt because he was dishonest.  So, there's that....

That's not actually true but that is the opinion that is fed to you on your preferred media outlets.

So, there's that...

10 minutes ago, Beerman said:

What's not true?  Biden lies?

Your words were "lies all the time". Nope, that's just not gonna fly as factual from the guy that supports the habitual liar that was twice impeached for reprehensible behavior in office. 

12 minutes ago, Beerman said:

My view of the world is shaped by what I experience.  One example is how over the last year have had personal interactions with literally thousands of people of all demographics, in every area of the United States. 

You should try experiencing some facts and reality about the corruption of Donald Trump and the danger that his lies continue to represent to this republic. The election wasn't stolen, Trump lost.  January 6 wasn't peaceful protesters it was a dangerous personal political exercise intended to seize liar power for Trump.  

15 minutes ago, Beerman said:

 

The news and opinion sources I use compliment my experiences.

I wasn't self isolating, in a already isolated area of the world, scouring the WaPo and NYT each day.

I wonder who is more susceptible to be fed certain opinions?

Yes.  Your sources are almost always as biased as could be imagined and are generally assessed to be of mixed accuracy with focus on inflammatory language and emotional triggers.  There's no question that those who confine themselves to right wing sources for information are susceptible to propaganda and contrived narratives.  Just consider the election fraud froth as evidence of the gullibility. 

I've said it before that sometimes when a president is wrong about something, or changes course,  it is reported by his adversaries as "he lied".    The most glaring example is when Biden said all Americans would be out before the troops were withdrawn, but after the deaths of Americans he kept to the deadline.

Biden seems to be wrong about some things such as vaccination rates.  Is he lying or just doesn't know what he's talking about, either way he should know people are fact checking him and whoever is giving him information should make more sense.  He's also made some mistakes about the border.

Fox News has a story about him saying he visited a synagogue after a mass shooting in 2018 is a lie.

All that said, I still can't get on the "he lies all the time" bandwagon.  

There also are the lies spread about him, such as him not bearing there when the remains of the soldiers touched down in America, or that he fell asleep during a meeting.  

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

I'm thinking more like when he repeated over and over how Texas and Georgia were implementing Jim Crow laws.  He wasn't mistaken.  He knew damn well that wasn't true, but he kept saying it.

Imagine the racial divide that kind of rhetoric has the potential to create.

You said I'm "OK" with Trump lying as long as he gets results.  I made the point that we all make compromises when it comes to who we elect.  And now, your response is that at least Biden doesn't lie all the time.

 

A politician lying or embellishing is par for the course. But it's incredibly unusual for one to lie constantly! 

2 hours ago, Beerman said:

I'm thinking more like when he repeated over and over how Texas and Georgia were implementing Jim Crow laws.  He wasn't mistaken.  He knew damn well that wasn't true, but he kept saying it.

Imagine the racial divide that kind of rhetoric has the potential to create.

You said I'm "OK" with Trump lying as long as he gets results.  I made the point that we all make compromises when it comes to who we elect.  And now, your response is that at least Biden doesn't lie all the time.

 

We could have a discussion about why those laws are forwarded and what purpose they serve but I already know what the right wing rhetoric sounds like that attempts to defend them. Do you remember how Trump called Georgia wanting them to find 11,000 votes for him? Is that why Georgia is trying to change their voting laws? To accommodate those sort of demands in the future?

There's still not any evidence from your remarks that you know what unprecedented lying in a president looks or sounds like and how dangerous it is for our republic.  It's a shame really.  There were so many opportunities to demonstrate ability to discern dishonest intent and language but loyalty prevented conservative leadership and voters alike to accept the habitual lying as normal.  That four year acceptance of obvious and blatant lies makes any assessment of lying on Biden's part appear contrived.