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Some time ago, the topic of spousal abuse came up on this site. A member told us the story of her abusive marriage. When she was eighteen, she met an older man who told her that he had abused other women in the past, but things would be different with her. She married him, and eventually left him because of his abusive behavior.

Here's what I don't understand. He told her he had a history of abuse -- that's like a big red flashing sign: "I will end up abusing you, too". Yet she still married him. Why would a woman do that?

Please do not reply to this thread by telling me what a hard, cold, unfeeling person I am. I do not want to minimize the difficulties this woman has gone through. I know that it's always easy to condemn someone else when you don't know the whole story. If I had faced the challenges this woman has faced, I might have made the same choice to marry the guy. I'm not trying to look down on anyone. I just don't understand how you could marry a man who basically told you right out that he would beat you -- and then stay with him through years of brutal treatment. Please help me walk in someone else's shoes.

But during those 2 years do you think people thought you should just leave? Why are you staying? or think maybe that you wanted or asked for the abuse?

I've been in an abusive relationship. A part of you wants to fix them. A part of you begins to think that if you were...better...smarter...thinner...prettier...whatever...it would be ok.

They slowly isolate you from people and friends. As an educated female when I actually realized where I ended up....I was ashamed...and frightened. He was a police officer. Who do I call? The police? Where do you hide? It was demoralizing.

I had a wonderful childhood. I had parents who loved me. The was NO REASON for me to be in that relationship. I loved him before he became abusive and play Russian roulette with his service gun.

I survived...I was young and wanted to fix him.

I finally remarried 12 years later and have a wonderful life...it is another person who found herself in that position.

I didn't tell people. It was my problem to fix. Some people knew from being around us and a few asked questions or gave advice.

Mine wasn't in law enforcement, that certainly made it a little easier.

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Actually, I have. I got out. It took almost 2 years to make a plan so that my kids and I wouldn't end up homeless in the process.

I am sorry to hear that you had that experience. Your experience, however, is not the same as other victims. Each individual is imbued with personal characteristics, traits, qualities, and past experiences that affect one's ability to avoid altogether, escape, or survive abusive relationships.

Oh hell naw. If anyone puts their hands on me its over for you. You WONT get my goodies, you WILL get a black eye.

But when I'm not being all gangsta. I do feel each situation is a little bit specific to each couple. The problem lies with the victimizer and the victim equally. Its a culture of escalation. One party finds it acceptable to harm another, one party finds it acceptable to be degraded and harmed.

Here's the thing. Abusers are very, very good at what they do. They prey on younger, older, or women who are in a tough spot. They groom them to their liking. They speak the words that someone wants to hear, put them into a situation that seems ideal, and all the while slowly gaining confidence. By the way, child molesters do the same thing.

Perhaps the spouse says that the wife has "worked long enough" and "she deserves to stay home". Then comes the "your family is so awful to you" "I heard your friend talking smack about you"....whatever they have to do to insulate a woman.

Smart, successful women get abused. Ignorant child abuse victims get abused (

I would call abusers sociopaths. And any person, at any time, can get caught up in it until there is no way to get out of it without resources that they may not longer have access to.

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Oh hell naw. If anyone puts their hands on me its over for you. You WONT get my goodies, you WILL get a black eye.

But when I'm not being all gangsta. I do feel each situation is a little bit specific to each couple. The problem lies with the victimizer and the victim equally. Its a culture of escalation. One party finds it acceptable to harm another, one party finds it acceptable to be degraded and harmed.

That is completely false. A perason doesn't stay because they think it's acceptable.They stay because they feel like they have no choice.They don't see a way out and they are made to believe that it is their fault.You have no idea if you haven't been there.

That is completely false. A perason doesn't stay because they think it's acceptable.They stay because they feel like they have no choice.They don't see a way out and they are made to believe that it is their fault.You have no idea if you haven't been there.

As I said before, each situation is individual specific.

If you want out of an abusive situation, you will find a way. You are always in control of what behavior you continue to accept.

That's my opinion. Agree or disagree...I won't change mine as you won't change yours.

And in the OP's reference to a post, we are talking about an 18 year old child. Any number of 18 year olds would fall for just about anything, never mind the sociopath that is grooming them.

It's hard to explain. You want so badly to belong somewhere and to feel safe and cared for you are willing to ignore the warning signs. They always convince you that anything that happened wasn't their fault. When they do it to you they also convince you that it is our fault. They will cry and promise it will never happen again. Sometimes the bad times are really bad but the good times are good too. You have your self confidence completely sucked up by these people. The longer you stay the harder it is to leave.

This a thousand times over...

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I just don't understand how you could marry a man who basically told you right out that he would beat you -- and then stay with him through years of brutal treatment. Please help me walk in someone else's shoes.

Because Love is blind...and deaf...and dumb...

He was a police officer. Who do I call? The police? Where do you hide? It was demoralizing.

First, bravo for getting out! I am so happy you are here with us. You are very brave! You had one of the worst scenarios (police husband), and I admire your courage and strength. :up:

I read a number of studies about the abuse rates within law enforcement households, and the statistics are quite alarming. One study said 1 in 2 law enforcement households experience domestic violence. Two studies found that at least 40% of law enforcement families experience domestic violence. That statistic is likely much higher because these cases are under-reported. As you said, where do you hide? Police know where all the women's shelters are, and have a means of finding you through departmental resources. More often than not, police have a 'brotherhood' mentality and will cover each other.

Those same two studies found the average national rate of domestic violence at 10% in all households. Statistically, someone in the home of a police officer (girlfriend, wife, child) is 4x as likely as the average american to experience domestic violence.

One of my GF's was 19, living with a 27 YO officer. He beat her, badly. She left and spent the night with me. The next day while he was at work, she went to his house (where she was living) to get her things. He had changed the locks. She crawled through an open window (neighbors even said 'Hello' to her--they knew she lived there), collected her things, and went to her mother's home. That evening, her BF's partner knocked on the door of her mother's house and arrested my friend for breaking and entering, trespassing, destruction of property, theft, and vandalism! She damaged nothing, stole nothing. She reported everything about the abuse, and that she lived in the house.

It didn't matter. No charges were filed against him. The officer told his supervisor that she got the bruises and cuts from his 'other' girlfriend and that she had started the fight. Mysteriously, this other women 'disappeared'. My GF's public defender contacted the neighbors to back up her story that she was living in the house and had been for 4 months. Guess what? They slammed the door in his face and refused to confirm it (they didn't want to testify against the police!). Her public defender told her that her best option was to just take a plea deal down to the lowest grade felony so that she could avoid a trial (which he felt would be dangerous for her). Being young and naive, she took the plea, no time served, permission to leave the state. The next day, her cousin contacted a 'Rescue' organization from another state. My GF changed her name in the new state, and has been living a wonderful life ever since.

That was back in the 80's. It is more difficult to hide now because of the internet and national databases. However, the current laws protect victims a whole lot more than they did back then.

Sadly, we still have a long way to go.

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Who did these studies, when and where? Post them.

As the daughter of a police officer I get very upset watching them demonized like this. There are bad cops, but this makes it sound like all cops are just domestic abusers waiting to explode! So post the studies, because I'd like to know who paid for them, see the methodology, and determine just how reliable they are.

Who did these studies, when and where? Post them.

As the daughter of a police officer I get very upset watching them demonized like this. There are bad cops, but this makes it sound like all cops are just domestic abusers waiting to explode! So post the studies, because I'd like to know who paid for them, see the methodology, and determine just how reliable they are.

Dusky, I can understand you being upset, and I am sorry for that. But I didn't say all households of law enforcement are like this, and neither did the studies.

Here are two links: National Center For Women and Policing

http://www.abuseofpower.info/AOP_Wetendorf.htm

All the footnote references are listed at the bottom of the page and cited throughout the page.

There are others as well. Give me a day to find the links and I can post them to you here, or via private message, whichever you prefer.

I am very sorry this is upsetting to you. :-(

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