Plant-based (vegan) mandate for NY hospitals

[Emergent]

What do you think of the new bill passed in New York State requiring vegan options on the menu?

It does appear to be a political endorsement of this diet over others, such as paleo, which had benefited many as well. While I definitely favor choice for patients, this law is promoting a plant-based as superior.

Also, whenever government imposes another mandate, it creates an expensive bureaucracy and burdensome red tape.

New York's landmark bill guarantees healthful plant-based meals to hospital patients

[dirtyhippiegirl, BSN, RN]

Yay. I have been vegetarian for ethical reasons for 25 years and have, like another poster on here, been in hospital situations where my food choices were severely restricted to a small handful of things. And I eat eggs and most dairy products so it shouldn't be that freaking difficult. :P

On that note, it's been interesting to see the growing acceptance of non-animal products over the last ten years or so. I'm in a large city in the Midwest and remember begging my mom to specialty order Morningstar veggie burgers from the one hippie co-op that carried them. This was in the mid to late 90s. When Whole Foods rolled into town, I thought I'd died and gone to vegetarian heaven. Glad to see some hospital systems finally catching up to what I can now buy at Walmart.

[Emergent, RN]

This site is malfunctioning., I cannot quote.

I respect vegetarians totally. I've gone down that path for at least 10 years of my life. My experience is that, for my personal makeup and physiological disposition, a diet of more concentrated nutrients, and fewer carbs, boosts my mental and physical functioning.

BTW, I'm over 60 and 130 pounds, on zero meds, and people mistake me for in my 40s.

I raise my own livestock humanely and eat their meat. I totally endorse and practice humane animal husbandry.

My 'beef' is with the celebrity driven, media campaign regarding the plant-based diet. I also believe that responsible animal husbandry is ecologically sound.

[pr0dr0me, BSN, RN]

7 minutes ago, Emergent said:

I respect vegetarians totally. I've gone down that path for at least 10 years of my life. My experience is that, for my personal makeup and physiological disposition, a diet of more concentrated nutrients, and fewer carbs, boosts my mental and physical functioning. 

You respect them... as long as they're willing to eat dead animals in the hospital.

[dirtyhippiegirl, BSN, RN]

10 minutes ago, Emergent said:

This site is malfunctioning., I cannot quote.

I respect vegetarians totally. I've gone down that path for at least 10 years of my life. My experience is that, for my personal makeup and physiological disposition, a diet of more concentrated nutrients, and fewer carbs, boosts my mental and physical functioning.

BTW, I'm over 60 and 130 pounds, on zero meds, and people mistake me for in my 40s.

I raise my own livestock humanely and eat their meat. I totally endorse and practice humane animal husbandry.

My 'beef' is with the celebrity driven, media campaign regarding the plant-based diet. I also believe that responsible animal husbandry is ecologically sound.

What other people choose to do with their dietary practices isn't impacting you at all. Nobody is attacking you, yet you are being very defensive. Including a vegan option on the menu is not taking away from your rights to raise, kill, or consume animals.

[Emergent, RN]

1 minute ago, dirtyhippiegirl said:

What other people choose to do with their dietary practices isn't impacting you at all. Nobody is attacking you, yet you are being very defensive. Including a vegan option on the menu is not taking away from your rights to raise, kill, or consume animals.

Good for you, dirty hippy

7 minutes ago, pr0dr0me said:

You respect them... as long as they're willing to eat dead animals in the hospital.

Another one...

[pr0dr0me, BSN, RN]

8 minutes ago, Emergent said:

Good for you, dirty hippy

Aaand I'm done.

This absolutely bizarre post devolved from an inexplicable compassion for some administrators who have to come up with like 3 more menu items, into the revealing rants about a completely unrelated person to this discussion, a cousin which you literally admitted is a "fanatic" and therefore irrelevant to a discussion about reasonable accommodations for ethical objections to animal products (similar to the religious restrictions for which we accommodate already), then into a weird backtrack where you pretend to have made an angry post opposing the simple provision of beans and PB sandwiches just because *you* personally like meat, and finally into name-calling because you realized you're making no sense.

[Emergent, RN]

11 minutes ago, pr0dr0me said:

Aaand I'm done.

This absolutely bizarre post devolved from an inexplicable compassion for some administrators who have to come up with like 3 more menu items, into the revealing rants about a completely unrelated person to this discussion, a cousin which you literally admitted is a "fanatic" and therefore irrelevant to a discussion about reasonable accommodations for ethical objections to animal products (similar to the religious restrictions for which we accommodate already), then into a weird backtrack where you pretend to have made an angry post opposing the simple provision of beans and PB sandwiches just because *you* personally like meat, and finally into name-calling because you realized you're making no sense.

Quoting is working again. Thanks for your articulate and excellently punctuated response. It exemplifies common sense and common ground...

[usethehaldol]

When is keto?

Seriously all hospital food sucks though. If vegan options will get people eating I'm all for it. I assume they can balance required nutrition.

[NickiLaughs, ADN, BSN, RN]

9 hours ago, pr0dr0me said:

Aaand I'm done.

This absolutely bizarre post devolved from an inexplicable compassion for some administrators who have to come up with like 3 more menu items, into the revealing rants about a completely unrelated person to this discussion, a cousin which you literally admitted is a "fanatic" and therefore irrelevant to a discussion about reasonable accommodations for ethical objections to animal products (similar to the religious restrictions for which we accommodate already), then into a weird backtrack where you pretend to have made an angry post opposing the simple provision of beans and PB sandwiches just because *you* personally like meat, and finally into name-calling because you realized you're making no sense.

Dirty hippie was the persons screen name. ?. See dirtyhippiegirl above.

I think options provided for all is reasonable. I however would probably still order DoorDash in the hospital because hospital food barely passes for digestible.

[ILoveHorsesRN, ADN]

I think it's a good, healthy alternative. all hospitals should also be offering gluten free meals for patients with Celiac disease.

["nursy", RN]

1 hour ago, ILoveHorsesRN said:

I think it's a good, healthy alternative. all hospitals should also be offering gluten free meals for patients with Celiac disease.

If a patient has Celiac disease a gluten free diet would be in the doctor

12 hours ago, Emergent said:

My 'beef' is with the celebrity driven, media campaign regarding the plant-based diet.

The celebrity driven, media campaign also promotes lady partsl jade eggs, lady partsl steaming, anti vaxxing, GOOP, political endorsements, and the list goes on. Why pick on plant based diets?

[BrisketRN, BSN, RN]

I think it's a good idea. People who haven't eaten any animal products in years (or ever) can become quite ill from suddenly eating meat or dairy. That wouldn't be conducive to the healing process. Maybe they are lacking in protein--this is a great time for a dietitian in the hospital to meet with them. Maybe they have no idea they should be taking b12 supplements, or that those crazy youtube vegans were wrong and it's not actually a good idea to eat 42 bananas a day or live a "fruititarian" lifestyle. I don't think it'll rock the kitchen too much, and it could open up helpful discussions that could keep them healthy.