do physical therapists make more money than RNs?

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I was just curious...thanks!

uhhhh, What was the question again??? hehe:trout:

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Jennifer, CNA, LPN, RN, ASN, MOM, BMW, DWF, BBW...

hehehehe......good one......this is me........

Leah, RN,ADN,EMT,TNCC,MOM,DWF........:madface: you have more than i do....

wait....

WWJD??

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I been reading these boards. It was before:

Physicians assistant versus Nurse Practioneer

Now we have

Physical Therapist versus Registered Nurse.

Next topic in the future would be:

Radiologist Technician versus Registered Nurse

Medical Doctor versus Registered Nurse

In the end, the nurses with very high egos would fight for supremacy. Is that bad? Yes, I think it is.

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imagine for a minute every rn having a bachelor's degree. every single rn. no, really imagine it. imagine...... imagine rn's united in their education.

imagine wat pts would think. how they might see us. imagine physicians knowing that we all have college degrees.... bachelor's degrees in science....JUST LIKE THEY have! imagine our managers approaching us intelligently knowing we have the SAME degree as they do.

imagine..... educational unity among registered nurses. a basic bachelor's degree.

will we EVER get there? every one else is.

and i will say this on my death bed, there is NO shortage of nurses...check your state's licensing board for the numbers.

OK, let's 'imagine' it.

After that happens, 'technical' RNs (by that I mean BSNs) will hold back the professional growth of 'REAL NURSES' (by that I mean APN and MSN):

You BSNs, you see, YOU are holding back the 'profession'.

http://www.nursingworld.org/ojin/topic18/tpc18_3.htm

"Doors to future educational changes should be kept open, but moving education to the BSN level is the first step. Noting the increasing complexity of health care, some nurse leaders are concerned that a baccalaureate degree is no longer sufficient preparation for practice. They advocate master's or even doctoral level education and abandonment of the Registered Nurse title in favor of an advanced practice role that is clearly distinguished from entry into practice at the associate degree level. While raising the educational bar even higher can possibly be justified in terms of the knowledge base needed for advancing professional practice, we need to pay attention to past lessons and view with caution any proposed solution that would further split the profession and separate nurses with college degrees from the ranks of bedside caregivers."

You see, all you undereducated RNs, BSN and ADN alike, YOU hold back nursing with your 'inferior' education. Enough so, that nursing is better served by abandoning the RN title, what with all its negative educational connotations. . .

This is where the pathway of academic superiority leads. . .

Ah, but they urge caution. Why? To avoid 'further splitting the profession'. Indeed? At what level is academic arrogance 'splitting the profession'? Indeed.

~faith,

Timothy.

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Entering the discussion a bit late but just want to add my thoughts. PTs do earn significantly more than RNs in my neck of the woods, and I would say that they deserve what they earn and more...as do RNs, or course :).

However, its unreasonable to try to compare these two professions in any way because the things we do are very, very, (and dare I add one more 'very'? yes I dare) VERY different.

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Thank you for asking that. I've been wondering too. I think it could be short for "wake up neocon" but I'm not sure. That definately would not fit it's common usage in the forum.

It is NOT short for wake up neocon. It's a reference to the Movie Series 'Matrix' whose lead character was 'Neo'.

~faith,

Timothy.

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It is NOT short for wake up neocon. It's a reference to the Movie Series 'Matrix' whose lead character was 'Neo'.

~faith,

Timothy.

I didn't think neocon made sense but I was unaware of any other 'neo' reference and I'm the only person it seems who has never seen any of the Matrix movies. Good to know. Thank you.

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Nobody has pointed out in this debate that the real side effect of a master's education for PT is that PTAs do most of the real 'treatment' and PTs are being relegated to higher supervisory roles.

What would happen if NURSING moved to MSN/APN standard?

I'll tell you, we wouldn't make much more and unlicensed personnel would be doing much of what WE do know.

Y'all are just punching the ticket to the devaluation of our current Scope of Practice.

Oh to be sure, our new 'scope' would be higher. But, only because others would be doing what WE do now. For less, no doubt.

I IMAGINE that what is being suggested is that RNs become default managers of unlicensed personnel.

See making nurses more scarce by educational requirements is unrelated to the DEMAND for nurses. The law of supply and demand will just take up the slack, filling the demand in other ways. . .

~faith,

Timothy.

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OK, let's 'imagine' it.

After that happens, 'technical' RNs (by that I mean BSNs) will hold back the professional growth of 'REAL NURSES' (by that I mean APN and MSN):

You BSNs, you see, YOU are holding back the 'profession'.

http://www.nursingworld.org/ojin/topic18/tpc18_3.htm:

"Doors to future educational changes should be kept open, but moving education to the BSN level is the first step. Noting the increasing complexity of health care, some nurse leaders are concerned that a baccalaureate degree is no longer sufficient preparation for practice. They advocate master's or even doctoral level education and abandonment of the Registered Nurse title in favor of an advanced practice role that is clearly distinguished from entry into practice at the associate degree level. While raising the educational bar even higher can possibly be justified in terms of the knowledge base needed for advancing professional practice, we need to pay attention to past lessons and view with caution any proposed solution that would further split the profession and separate nurses with college degrees from the ranks of bedside caregivers."

You see, all you undereducated RNs, BSN and ADN alike, YOU hold back nursing with your 'inferior' education. Enough so, that nursing is better served by abandoning the RN title, what with all its negative educational connotations. . .

This is where the pathway of academic superiority leads. . .

Ah, but they urge caution. Why? To avoid 'further splitting the profession'. Indeed? At what level is academic arrogance 'splitting the profession'? Indeed.

~faith,

Timothy.

What a revolting quote in bold above. I tried the link to see who said such a thing but the link isn't working.

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Specializes in Critical Care.

:wakeneo:

~faith,

Timothy.

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What a revolting quote in bold above. I tried the link to see who said such a thing but the link isn't working.

It worked when I used it in an older thread. . .

http://www.nursingworld.org/ojin/topic18/tpc18_3.htm

There, this link works here. (I accidently carried a ":" over into the link. It's fixed where I originally linked it.)

The answer to your question, who said such a thing is:

Nelson, Martha A. PhD, RN, "EDUCATION FOR PROFESSIONAL NURSING PRACTICE: LOOKING BACKWARD INTO THE FUTURE". OJIN, 31 May 2002.

~faith,

Timothy.

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I still don't get why requiring someone to get their BSN within five years of graduation using a collection of specially(sp?) designed CEU-like classes is a bad thing.

Why not say any Bachelor's degree is acceptable? I could see how an RN working in psych might prefer a degree in psychology or a nurse working in infect. dis. might want a degree in Microbiology.

Even BSN, MSN and Phd's grads should want to continue learning.

Why are we waiting for hospital/employers to insitute a pay differential before work on our many issues?

I'm a money hungry cheapskate and even I know you gotta do some things not for the dollars but just because they need to be done! :lol2:

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