200,000 people have died from Covid-19 in the US (so far)

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And some still don't believe it is a real disease. Or that it will affect them or their loved ones ..

"200,000 people have died from Covid-19 in the US. That's more than the US battle deaths from 5 wars combined"

"Covid-19 is now the second-leading cause of death in the US, just after heart disease, according to the University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME).

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/22/health/us-coronavirus-deaths-200k/index.html

 

As someone who has worked with Covid patients and has seen the suffering and loss of life, I can't wrap my head around the public ignorance!! One shouldn't need to work in medical field to understand how dangerous this virus is. A quick look at the stats makes it perfectly clear! 

Sorry for venting, I'm just so frustrated. Especially when I hear POTUS saying they're "doing a good job at handling this" and encouraging bars and schools to open back up!! What are they thinking really?

Also, the CDC admitting it is an airborne virus (we all knew that) then going back and retracting what they said?? Obviously a whistleblower leaked that official CDC update. Why are they covering up the reality? So even more people will die? 

 

1 hour ago, ramboRN said:

Since A common Cold is a Sars virus and picked up on the tests, How many cases are just colds and not the covid19 virus? CDC also says that a small percentage of deaths are actually covi19 deaths. Deaths are reported as cases,  even though they test positive and die of other things. So could those positives be colds, another thing that I have questions about . That there is a Financial Advantage for deaths to be listed as covid19 involved. Does this advantage cause some smudging of the numbers? Just Asking.

 

Are you suggesting that the significant excess mortality we’ve seen in many countries on different continents starting around March 2020 is caused by people for some unknown reason starting to die from the common cold?


I looked at your post history and it makes me think that you’re not ”just asking”. You seem to have a very firm opinion on the healthcare industry. As a European I don’t know if there actually exists a ”financial advantage” for attributing deaths to Covid-19 in the US, but I’ll admit that I’m a tad sceptical. I know for a fact that there isn’t in my country and that the same is true for many other European countries. Despite that fact we’ve also experienced significant Covid-19 mortality.
 

The CDC hasn’t said that only a small percentage are actually Covid deaths. The smaller percentage of total Covid deaths are those who died with a Covid infection and didn’t have any other comorbidities. There’s a difference.
 

Do you think that a myocardial infarction can only be cause of death if the deceased was otherwise 100% healthy?  
 

And no. Those test positives are not the common cold. (We can diagnose all seven Corona viruses known to cause disease in humans. Four of them are common cold viruses. The RNA of SARS-CoV-2 virus has been sequenced by scientists and a Covid PCR test specifically looks for a part of the SARS-CoV-2  genome that is unique to SARS-CoV-2). 
 

 

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Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.
37 minutes ago, ramboRN said:

Since A common Cold is a Sars virus and picked up on the tests, How many cases are just colds and not the covid19 virus? CDC also says that a small percentage of deaths are actually covi19 deaths. Deaths are reported as cases,  even though they test positive and die of other things. So could those positives be colds, another thing that I have questions about . That there is a Financial Advantage for deaths to be listed as covid19 involved. Does this advantage cause some smudging of the numbers? Just Asking.

 

This is the stuff of conspiracy theories.  Death certificates of Covid cases are re-reviewed to make sure that the patient even got a Covid test (which wasn't possible in the early days or they had to wait a week for results).  In the midst of so many deaths at once in some places, what is listed as COD on a death certificate is temporary until all tests are in.  Also, can't you even imagine the brain power that has to go in making a final decision on COD?  It's not easy.  Would this guy with well-compensated heart failure have died anyway without a high viral load of Covid?  Please elucidate on what you propose is the financial advantage to the M and M committee or a pathologist?  Do you think hospitals make money from Covid units?  Please, I'm curious and I want to know how people fall for this stuff, but, of course you fell for it because you aren't aware of why you have a tendency to believe a facebook post rather than digging into the subject.  

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My son got the flu the most recent year when kids were dying left and right. He could barely respond to me, I thought he was going to die. I forced him to eat, drink liquids and take medicine. I am not sending him to school if I can help it. I can't even imagine how he would handle covid. I don't think we are safe to fully reopen. Fully reopening will help people pay bills but for how long? Just like one says how long to be closed, well how long before you get covid  due to a full reopening?  This virus can do a triple take on a person, meaning one can get it multiple times until it wipes out a ton of people. I need to see how this virus and the flu will interact as well. 

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Specializes in Surgery/ Psych/ Peds ICU/ Coranary Care.

Boy Thank you , A lot of intellegent responses to my queries. Yes I admit that I get taken in. I also try to get a feel for fully integrated honest facts. When the people give statistics most of the time it is talked about numbers of cases and use that to keep people in a state of extreme fear. I admit I do attempt to cut thru the weeds. I also am skeptical of all the agendas that bias the reporting. That being said, my queries in my deepest opinion where heartfelt qhestions in the attempt to get honest responses. I thank you because I did get heartfelt replays and it has been helpful. I do realize that this is a dangerous virus. I stay isolated. I wash my hands often and wear a mask in close public places I do that because of my age. I realize I am in a high risk group. It is my responsibility to take care of me. True facts and statistics help me to make my decisions.  It would be good to get fully transparent reporting by Media and Polititions. If anything would help would be the "Prime Law Amendment." It would keep everyone more honest. 

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16 hours ago, ramboRN said:

Boy Thank you , A lot of intellegent responses to my queries. Yes I admit that I get taken in. I also try to get a feel for fully integrated honest facts. When the people give statistics most of the time it is talked about numbers of cases and use that to keep people in a state of extreme fear. I admit I do attempt to cut thru the weeds. I also am skeptical of all the agendas that bias the reporting. That being said, my queries in my deepest opinion where heartfelt qhestions in the attempt to get honest responses. I thank you because I did get heartfelt replays and it has been helpful. I do realize that this is a dangerous virus. I stay isolated. I wash my hands often and wear a mask in close public places I do that because of my age. I realize I am in a high risk group. It is my responsibility to take care of me. True facts and statistics help me to make my decisions.  It would be good to get fully transparent reporting by Media and Polititions. If anything would help would be the "Prime Law Amendment." It would keep everyone more honest. 

Post about Covid-19 on a nursing forum, where so many of us have witnessed the cost of the ongoing pandemic firsthand, you will get heartfelt replies ? I admit to feeling less than charitable when a poster or anyone else brings up misinterpreted/misrepresented CDC data that’s previously been used by those who’ve attempted to downplay the impact of the pandemic. 

I never try to or want to spread fear, neither in real life or on here. I think that facts and science should be our guiding light and I hope that our actions will also be influenced by the fact that we (hopefully) care for our fellow human beings. 

If you feel that pandemic news is being reported in a biased way, my best advice is to not get your Covid-19 information from the media, and definitely not from social media. Look at the data that regularly updated by for example the CDC. In Europe the equivalent is ECDC and they present global statistics. The WHO is another source. Johns Hopkins also appears to report good, factual information. I’m sure that U.S. nurses could name other reliable sources. Above all, keep abreast with the research that evolves daily as we gather new knowledge about the virus. Use your own knowledge as a nurse regarding infectious/viral diseases and epidemiology to form an opinion.

Take care! 

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Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.
16 hours ago, ramboRN said:

Boy Thank you , A lot of intellegent responses to my queries. Yes I admit that I get taken in. I also try to get a feel for fully integrated honest facts. When the people give statistics most of the time it is talked about numbers of cases and use that to keep people in a state of extreme fear. I admit I do attempt to cut thru the weeds. I also am skeptical of all the agendas that bias the reporting. That being said, my queries in my deepest opinion where heartfelt qhestions in the attempt to get honest responses. I thank you because I did get heartfelt replays and it has been helpful. I do realize that this is a dangerous virus. I stay isolated. I wash my hands often and wear a mask in close public places I do that because of my age. I realize I am in a high risk group. It is my responsibility to take care of me. True facts and statistics help me to make my decisions.  It would be good to get fully transparent reporting by Media and Polititions. If anything would help would be the "Prime Law Amendment." It would keep everyone more honest. 

 I am feeling your pain!  I am retired and have the luxury of the TIME is  takes to suss out enough information to make even half-literate decisions.  And with Covid there is so much we don't know and we WANT to believe that things will be better so we fall for the blather because what all the idiots are telling us simplifies and condenses extremely complex information into something simple to believe - and we all want to keep things simple:)

I'm at the point now advocating that  schools should drop the 2nd year of algebra (when's the last time you used that?) for a course in media literacy which will serve a student for the rest of their life.  The high school in my city requires a semester of financial literacy.  Now, really, doesn't everyone need a lot more than that 2nd year of algebra or whatever forever useless information we get in high school?

 

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Specializes in quality improvement & patient safety; clinical ins.

So glad this turned into a hateful political debate! BARF!!!??

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On 9/27/2020 at 8:52 PM, subee said:

I guess that growing up in a nation that gave us all the good fortune that we had growing up here has also made is a nation of weaklings who can't tolerate any discomfort regardless of what our pleasure seeking does for others.  However, I do have sympathy for people who have to go to work and expose themselves to morons.  I still can't believe that this fool is going to open up when cases are still so high.  Yes, I get it that people are literally going bonkers but how were we ever going to get through this without supporting each other instead of hurting each other?

 

 

I can't believe it either. I'm in FL and everyone it's pretty terrified and shocked at my work. Our ID doctor keeps shaking his head when asked what is going to happen . The general advice is to make sure we have enough PPE especially masks. I hate hoarding but this is not looking good. 

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Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.
6 hours ago, Laura Schneider said:

So glad this turned into a hateful political debate! BARF!??

To whom are you speaking?

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Some healthcare workers are not working during shutdown. So it isn't accurate to assume that all nurses are working despite the pandemic.

Plus this may last for a yr more so it will be unrealistic to expect a shutdown until then. 

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I feel at times nurses only see the reality of their 12 hr shifts. When a pt is concerned about being evicted cause they arent home to pay rent, that concern is real for that pt. Yet to a nurse, they are just a noncompliant pt who wants to go AMA. 

Pt have to make choices, that may not be good for their health. It doesnt always mean they don't care about their health.

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Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
On 9/30/2020 at 8:50 AM, Laura Schneider said:

So glad this turned into a hateful political debate! BARF!??

You must be unaware that the only reason the American covid conversation involves politics is because of the POTUS. 

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