Obamacare and Mark of Beast... wrong time to be a nurse?

[tarotale]

Hi, first I apologize if you're a non-Christian person, but since I am and this post is what concerns of, you're free to leave before you read, or discuss with me if you have feedback.

If you have been paying attention to newly passed Obamacare lately, you would notice there's a big fuss about the new care and its mandated requirement for all persons to receive a chip (I believe it was referred to as very chip, typeII, RFID) by 2013, which is the year I will graduate. Of course, I think that receiving the chip would be completely optional, considering that numbers of Christians in this country will certainly refute, but nevertheless, I believe that the countdown has begun for the mark 666. I don't really care too much about Obamacare itself, but the real problem to me is the chip part. Now it is pretty obvious that the hospitals will require nurses, along with physicians and others, to receive this chip in order to keep the job; I can just see that coming. But I don't believe in it, and I will not receive it; I probably leave to some other country.

I am actually pretty worried about this because studying to be a nurse is a back-breaking, lumbar-twisting process, and I hate to think that I have to flush all that effort down the toilet if that damn chip is required. Am I the only person worried about this? Anyways, this thread is not political; I like things both from GOP and Democratic party, but looks like I need to vote someone from GOP who will repeal or at least take out the chip part of the new law.

[2bEsqtoRN]

I see a lot of twitter feeds saying they're going to Canada. I hear it's nice in the summer!

Interestingly enough, Canada has its own version of Obamacare in place! They'll be leaving one socialist country for another. LOL!

As one person puts it:

Seriously, are people that ill-informed about the True North, Strong and Free that is my beloved Canada? Single payer medicare, gay people serving openly in our armed forces for 25 years, same-sex marriage nationally since 2005, smoking weed will not send you to prison for life, no death penalty, high scores internationally for education and livability, mostly sane gun control, two official languages, multiculturalism, a regulated banking system that did not destroy our economy, separation of church and state, women's rights upheld, access to abortion protected. We have not killed all our animals larger than an X-box console... oh yah and we live longer than Americans. Tea-baggers and republicans would spontaneously combust as soon as they crossed our border.

[whichone'spink, BSN, RN]

Well, if hospitals can mandate that employees receive the flu vaccine even though it's not state or federal law, they could stoop to that level and require workers to have chips implanted. But we're not at that point yet.

[wooh, BSN, RN]

If you don't want to be implanted with a chip, please be sure to contact your Congressmen today before it's too late!

[tarotale]

fellas, as I have stated in the thread, I based my opinions derived from Revelations. Of course, I respect if you don't share the same religion, but wish you respect mine also. It is pretty famous annecdote from the book of Revelations as you all know. I am not going to quote off the bible but you know it has to do with people receiving a mark in the right hand or the forehead and no one is able to buy/sell (basically can't live as regular people in modern society) without the mark.

Some Christian theorists I know of warn this chip as the beginning of the mark's start. I mean in a country like US, where christianity has its deep roots, they are not going to start right off the bat to oppress those who refuse to get the chip, but it will gradually lean towards such policy, and that is what I am worried about, because I know what is warned in the Revelations. Of course, if you don't believe in Christianity, this argument is something you can simply ignore.

[wooh, BSN, RN]

Of course, if you don't believe in Christianity, this argument is something you can simply ignore.

I don't think the majority in this thread are denouncing Christianity. We're denouncing running around half cocked spouting paranoid opinions about something that one hasn't researched well enough to know isn't actually happening.

If you don't believe in reality, this argument is something you can simply ignore.

[grownuprosie]

If you don't want to be implanted with a chip, please be sure to contact your Congressmen today before it's too late!

I am actually starting an opt-out program for the chip. If you would like to be placed on the opt-out list, please reply to this message with your name, date of birth, mothers maiden name, credit card number and pin.

[KatieMI, BSN, MSN, RN]

Just a couple of question to the OP:

if you see a patient who, for whatever reason, has this microchip already in, you would think that he/she is a messenger from the Hell itself, or that just such "chipped" person cannot be a true Christian? Would this affect your ability to care for this person, and if so, to what degree? What about all the numerical combinations most of us connected with, like SSN, marriage licence number, birth certificate number, employee's number? Is it OK if a patient is identified, for billing and charting purposes, by a number, as it is almost invariably done in EMR systems?

(sarcasm put aside: the things being as they are now, there is absolutely no technical possibility for mass use of microchips in population of 300 million of humans. Just to begin with, every single facility, from hospital system to nursing home and VAMC, will have to get the same or very similar computer system to read the chips and transmit the information, not mentioning the size of needed database and protection of it. Both will be something whole way bigger, slower and prone to breaks than the famous EuroTransplant Tissue Match system, and the whole thing just won't matherialize till every health care facility gets its own Deep Blue machine or two. Army still uses embroidery of blood groups on their uniforms, and they have a very good reason indeed for doing it in our age of computers).

[grownuprosie]

fellas, as I have stated in the thread, I based my opinions derived from Revelations. Of course, I respect if you don't share the same religion, but wish you respect mine also. It is pretty famous annecdote from the book of Revelations as you all know. I am not going to quote off the bible but you know it has to do with people receiving a mark in the right hand or the forehead and no one is able to buy/sell (basically can't live as regular people in modern society) without the mark.

Some Christian theorists I know of warn this chip as the beginning of the mark's start. I mean in a country like US, where christianity has its deep roots, they are not going to start right off the bat to oppress those who refuse to get the chip, but it will gradually lean towards such policy, and that is what I am worried about, because I know what is warned in the Revelations. Of course, if you don't believe in Christianity, this argument is something you can simply ignore.

No one is asking you to cite the bible. We are asking you to cite the source of your information that this chip program exists at all. You have stated over and over that you "looked it up." I can promise you that no nursing school will aprove of "I looked it up" as evidence. We would all be willing to accept and discuss your concerns if they were based in evidence. You establish evidence by providing sources.

[FORTHELOVEOF!!!!]

You have stated over and over that you "looked it up." I can promise you that no nursing school will aprove of "I looked it up" as evidence.

But she has read a lot about it and heard a lot about it. Plus her mom and dad are Christians and they have heard about it and have talked to her about it, I'm sure they read it all and know all about it, and of course they wouldn't overreact or be biased in any way. Isn't that evidence enough?

Good grief, if you have done your research then cite it already!

[sauconyrunner]

You need to read the Bill. otherwise you just look ill informed, and like a natural born idiot. This is coming from a very strong Christian.

I hope actually that this is a very big lesson for you. You really can not believe everything you read or see. If you care deeply about the topic and feel strongly about it, you owe it to yourself to actually investigate it rather than spout a bunch of stuff you heard or read without reading the original document.

I hate to say it, but I think if you were able to read the original written documents that make up the Bible, you might be really rather surprised at the enhancements made in more recent versions. It really is a very different book than the one that you are probably using.

[itsmejuli]

i think it truly is a bad time for the OP to go into nursing. Critical thinking & research skills are lacking.

[tarotale]

I guess I have to admit my fault for not reading the entire bill by spending couple of my precious days, and I also have to admit my short-comings by not reciting the sources of my so said research. You guys are actually right. I googled what I read from bunch of websites, and they are probably biased as hell. To katieim, no I don't see those who received it as devil children, and I will care for them like everyone else. this is about me, and what will happen to me according to what I believe concerning the chip and all that junk, and I have no mouth to talk about others' decisions. Now back to citing stuff, I cite my sources clearly in APA 100% in all my projects and assignments, and although you guys are right, that I have to give you refrence clearly, really seriously, if I ask one of your opinion, say you believe in affirmative action, do you think I will expect you to release information like wikipedia and even give me page numbers of its bill to explain to me? I don't think so, so let's discuss the matter about the chip, not about whether I really have to read that 900+ bill just so I can have my petty opinion about it. Don't tell me all of you read every single documents and mandates to form your opinions. I know most of things we read comes from precious google. but I do admit that reading the source itself to talk about it is best idea, but let me have my formed opinions too based on loosely organized articles just like most of your information and opinions are based on loosely read articles too.