Oh but I am.....proudly working (amongst other places) at an independent birthing center as a midwife's assistant and childbirth, breastfeeding, and newborn care educator, the only place in the area where women can still have a VBAC.
I see you are a nursing student by your profile. I think one of the best things I have learned in nursing is that humans are amazingly complex creatures, and with some respect and humor even the most different amonst us can find common ground. I hope nursing school is a similar eye opener for you.
I'm pro-life personally, but not nearly as rabid about it as fgreen obviously is. Also, I have no desire to impose my personal views on anyone else. The most vocal pro-life people scare me almost as bad as the Taliban would.
Abortion is legal in the USA, and, despite what some would otherwise wish, it will continue to be so. The USSC will not be overturning Roe vs. Wade anytime soon, and I doubt even the most staunchly-conservative Justices would wish to return to the problems that existed prior to that landmark decision.
Starting a pro-choice organization (or a pro-life organization, for that matter) in nursing school would be a time-consuming, devisive, unnecessary diversion from what you are there for: to become a nurse.
Spend your time in school more profitably. ANY organization on EITHER side of the issue is a waste of energy.
I don't know, I felt like I didn't have time for anything like a student organization when I was in nursing school. I didn't even join our nursing student organization, because I just don't feel like those are very helpful in the long run. But then again, I'm not much of a group sort of person.
I don't know, I felt like I didn't have time for anything like a student organization when I was in nursing school. I didn't even join our nursing student organization, because I just don't feel like those are very helpful in the long run. But then again, I'm not much of a group sort of person.
I agree.
I'm a full time student, a full time employee, and I have a family.
I have absolutely NO time to spare for other issues; especially one who's goals are already a reality.
Soo...let me get this straight...you are becoming nurses to support life? Why are you advocating that it is perfectly acceptable to kill babies. They are babies you know, from the moment of conception! If you dont think that scraping or sucking a baby out of a womb is murder, then at what point does it become murder....when both the head AND feet are out of the womb.. What if most of the body was out - --head to knees-- could you still kill it then and not be a murderer?? Unfathomable.
What if your mothers decided to abort you?? America may already have aborted the one who could have cured cancer, AIDS, diabetes,etc.... Here is a great alternative for killing babies...how about adopting them out to those who actually want them? If you dont want to go through the pregnancy processs---keep your legs closed to begin with! Sex is not a necessary function to live. You play you pay.
Your post does not address the purpose of this thread. If you wish to debate abortion itself I wish you'd go start a thread about that. The OP asked for advice regarding starting a nursing student pro-choice group - not for opinions on if abortion is murder or not.
Soo...let me get this straight...you are becoming nurses to support life? Why are you advocating that it is perfectly acceptable to kill babies. They are babies you know, from the moment of conception! If you dont think that scraping or sucking a baby out of a womb is murder, then at what point does it become murder....when both the head AND feet are out of the womb.. What if most of the body was out - --head to knees-- could you still kill it then and not be a murderer?? Unfathomable.
What if your mothers decided to abort you?? America may already have aborted the one who could have cured cancer, AIDS, diabetes,etc.... Here is a great alternative for killing babies...how about adopting them out to those who actually want them? If you dont want to go through the pregnancy processs---keep your legs closed to begin with! Sex is not a necessary function to live. You play you pay.
The above argument is so cliche' and tiresome.
Many people disagree with you. The post is dirisive, inflammatory and does not belong in this thread.
Specializes in ICU, CCU, Trauma, neuro, Geriatrics.
To empathize with someone else who proclaims a very different approach to life than ours is a fine skill unmatched in anyother profession than nursing.
Specializes in Vents, Telemetry, Home Care, Home infusion.
how does one start a student group on campus is a great question!
1. to make sure one is not duplicating a group already in existence (a lot less work too), contact the office of student affairs/student life to see what student organizations/groups meet on/off campus.
2. read student newspaper and any local freebie papers to see what's happening in the college area--same papers place invite to meetings too.
3. if you are new to a college campus, i suggest that one waits a semester so you can emerge yourself in local community: learn key people/ who's who on campus, etc so not to offend anyone, especially if school's located in conservative area along with ones subject passion not seen as overbearing/overkill to classmates.
use this time to network, join study group, part time job on campus so you met lots of people. after people know you they may be more interested in joining your group. find out policies regarding placing flyer's around campus: ? need student affairs signature or can anyone advertise on interest boards around school and dorm locations.
4. how to avoid the crash and burn: nursing program/college requires tremendous amounts of reading, usually 15 hours/weekly for each credit hour course. make sure you have the time commitment for your new start-up group, as lots of organization will be on your shoulders.
5. growing interest: learn to use graphic program on your computer to create flyer, brochures, meeting handouts, press release for campus radio station/nespaper, sending to local freebie papers above.
6.look in blue pages of local phone book to see what organizations exist in your area. volunteer/ contact one of them for assistance.
7. make yourself known to nursing department secretaries. volunteer to assist in department running errands hour/week. secretaries can identify faculty who volunteer with student groups or are interested in subject matter.
these are all ideas i've learned over the years running student nursing club, district nursing associations along with reading book:
welcome to the silence to voice home pagefrom silence to voice:what nurses know and must communicate to th public a book by bernice buresh and suzanne gordon is a comprehensive guide for nurses.
Not only is nursing school stressful and time consuming in and of itself, it is also very stressful because of the cliques and 'tudes.
Abortion is about the most controversial issue you could pick to start a club about.
I wouldn't do it, not only because of the time involved away from studies, but to avoid the negatives that might occur. You never know who might get upset, fellow student or faculty - and which of those might be a vital lifeline to you in school.
And you know the emotions that this issue can invoke.
It's easy to ignore the opinions and emotions of those that disagree with you on contentious issues. Especially when you feel strongly that you are correct. But. Nursing school, because of its stress, is such a turmoil of pressures, opinions, and sometimes, outright backstabbing, that it does you no benefit to stir ANY pot. This isn't about abortion - although, as I said, that is a big spoon, but about just about anything.
My quite successful attitude about school was to keep my nose down and play the game. You want to pass? Play their game and save the things important to you, like this issue, for when you have RN after your name.
I understand wanting to stand up for your beliefs. But nursing school doesn't seem to me to be the perfect place to make those waves. Although I think college is generally the place to test your politics and beliefs: nursing school is an overt exception. People can and are dropped from nursing programs everyday over what amounts to 'personality conflicts'. I wouldn't do ANYTHING to foster such conflict.
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Oh but I am.....proudly working (amongst other places) at an independent birthing center as a midwife's assistant and childbirth, breastfeeding, and newborn care educator, the only place in the area where women can still have a VBAC.
I see you are a nursing student by your profile. I think one of the best things I have learned in nursing is that humans are amazingly complex creatures, and with some respect and humor even the most different amonst us can find common ground. I hope nursing school is a similar eye opener for you.