As someone who is about to complete medical school, and who went through nursing school for a BSN, the knowledge gap between the two is exponential. In light of recent arguments made by militant nurses who argue that the required nursing courses to complete an associates degree or BSN is just as good as medical school. First you take an A&P, 101 course on microbiology, a introductory 12 week course in "orgo/gen chem, Biochem" all combined superficially in 12 weeks, 12 week course in Pathophysiology 101.
Looking back those courses, they were very superficial at the amount of knowledge required to pass. Those science courses were no where near the complexity that medical schools dig into, where things get broken down into the mechanism of protein structures that allow them to function a certain way. With out understanding the complexities of the inner workings of what actually occur at the cellular level, you can't begin to understand what went wrong when the ALGORITHM they are trained to follow doesn't go according to plan. Then comes the nursing courses, and the "clinicals" that they do. The actual nursing courses were good enough to understand and complete NURSING tasks. They were not good enough to treat and effectively manage complex disease, but when I was a nursing student at that time I thought I knew just as much as a doctor, and I was dead wrong. The clinicals were a joke, you passed out meds,maybe gave a few injections, changed wet diapers on incontinent patients, and followed the orders given by the doctor.
I am all about advanced education, but there is NO DIFFERENCE in the fundamental knowledge between a RN VS BSN other than some "nursing research courses and fluff to get fancy titles like clinical nurse specialist, or infection control specialist" but the core principles are EXACTLY THE SAME. So when they claim they have a BSN not an associates in nursing, there is NO difference, and I dare you to find me a BSN who would say there is.
Something else that ticks me off I hear from nurses trying to be MD's is " I have 15+ years in the ICU, ER, or MED/SURG floor," that counts as more education like a residency. Good for you! But, when I worked as a nurses assistant for 5+ years I didn't claim to know or be equivalent to a RN just because I saw what they did, and helped them carry out orders. How would NURSES like it if LPN's claimed to be EQUIVALENT to RN's/BSN's? Probably wouldn't go well. I am not knocking down the profession of nursing, what I am annoyed with is NURSES/NP's claiming to be equivalent to MD's. You are not, you were trained in the NURSING SCOPE of practice.
I love nurses, yes I would trust a seasoned ICU nurse's opinion vs a Freshly minted MD out of med school in July as an Intern, but I guarantee that by the end of 3-4 months of intern year, his knowledge base will increase exponentially to surpass that of any ICU nurse due to his knowledge base gained from 8 years of education that doesn't stop during residency, and now applying it daily as a intern. So nurses I beg you to please just work within your scope as a nurse, and stop trying to claim equivalency through studies "propaganda" funded by the militant nurses association.
Ok, good for you. I personally never make value judgments so I have no idea where you get this notion of "BSN equal to med school" mentality from. A few of my family members are in med school right now and I understand how hard they work but they also understand how hard I work. It's a mutual understanding without trying to "one up" each other. You're just sowing discontent and in a crazy health care environment (such as we have today), that mindset is very backwards and counter productive. Hopefully you'll cultivate a more collegiate attitude throughout your journey in med school. Best of luck!
I have some derivative of Hyperthymesia‎ (like Marilu Henner) where I [basically] remember [almost] everything, but can't always recall when needed...
Please link the posts that outright state anywhere that any nurse on this forum has said that a BSN is equivalent to medical school.
Anyway, I believe that it was on this forum (AN) that a NP talked about the requirements saying that he/she trained/"interned" with [physician] interns for the curriculum that applied to NPs. The topic (I believe) was someone asking about NP vs. PA.
I don't have time to try and look up the exact topic, perhaps someone else may remember.
That is the closest thing that I can remember about comparing nursing training to physician training.
I have some derivative of Hyperthymesia‎ (like Marilu Henner) where I [basically] remember [almost] everything, but can't always recall when needed...
Anyway, I believe that it was on this forum (AN) that a NP talked about the requirements saying that he/she trained/"interned" with [physician] interns for the curriculum that applied to NPs. The topic (I believe) was someone asking about NP vs. PA.
I don't have time to try and look up the exact topic, perhaps someone else may remember.
That is the closest thing that I can remember about comparing nursing training to physician training.
Surely you understand there is a HUGE difference between the debates RN vs. MD and NP vs. PA, though, right? NP vs. PA could actually be a lengthy and valid topic to bring up because they are both similar in scope and practice. RN and MD are completely different.
>several replies early in the thread saying don't feed the troll
>this is post 43
So....you're throwing it kibble, too, then
Besides, sometimes posting on a thread that is downright ridiculous is FUN. Feeding a troll means giving it credibility, and getting upset when it says stupid and inflammatory things, assuming it is interested in intellectual debate. When we KNOW that simply isn't possible given the limited capacities of the troll....well....we just make our own fun :)
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