As someone who is about to complete medical school, and who went through nursing school for a BSN, the knowledge gap between the two is exponential. In light of recent arguments made by militant nurses who argue that the required nursing courses to complete an associates degree or BSN is just as good as medical school. First you take an A&P, 101 course on microbiology, a introductory 12 week course in "orgo/gen chem, Biochem" all combined superficially in 12 weeks, 12 week course in Pathophysiology 101.
Looking back those courses, they were very superficial at the amount of knowledge required to pass. Those science courses were no where near the complexity that medical schools dig into, where things get broken down into the mechanism of protein structures that allow them to function a certain way. With out understanding the complexities of the inner workings of what actually occur at the cellular level, you can't begin to understand what went wrong when the ALGORITHM they are trained to follow doesn't go according to plan. Then comes the nursing courses, and the "clinicals" that they do. The actual nursing courses were good enough to understand and complete NURSING tasks. They were not good enough to treat and effectively manage complex disease, but when I was a nursing student at that time I thought I knew just as much as a doctor, and I was dead wrong. The clinicals were a joke, you passed out meds,maybe gave a few injections, changed wet diapers on incontinent patients, and followed the orders given by the doctor.
I am all about advanced education, but there is NO DIFFERENCE in the fundamental knowledge between a RN VS BSN other than some "nursing research courses and fluff to get fancy titles like clinical nurse specialist, or infection control specialist" but the core principles are EXACTLY THE SAME. So when they claim they have a BSN not an associates in nursing, there is NO difference, and I dare you to find me a BSN who would say there is.
Something else that ticks me off I hear from nurses trying to be MD's is " I have 15+ years in the ICU, ER, or MED/SURG floor," that counts as more education like a residency. Good for you! But, when I worked as a nurses assistant for 5+ years I didn't claim to know or be equivalent to a RN just because I saw what they did, and helped them carry out orders. How would NURSES like it if LPN's claimed to be EQUIVALENT to RN's/BSN's? Probably wouldn't go well. I am not knocking down the profession of nursing, what I am annoyed with is NURSES/NP's claiming to be equivalent to MD's. You are not, you were trained in the NURSING SCOPE of practice.
I love nurses, yes I would trust a seasoned ICU nurse's opinion vs a Freshly minted MD out of med school in July as an Intern, but I guarantee that by the end of 3-4 months of intern year, his knowledge base will increase exponentially to surpass that of any ICU nurse due to his knowledge base gained from 8 years of education that doesn't stop during residency, and now applying it daily as a intern. So nurses I beg you to please just work within your scope as a nurse, and stop trying to claim equivalency through studies "propaganda" funded by the militant nurses association.
You have a very odd definition of successful trolling. I also think, by your posts on SDN, you have some psychological needs that are currently unmet. I'm not qualified to state that that is my professional opinion, though, being just a nurse, and all.
ROFL! Well Goooolllllly, Gomer, looks like we got a winner!
Seriously, though, you opened up a thread where many of us had a lot of fun at your expense (and I think that was mighty nice of you, personally).....so thanks for that!
Now you can go back to your shift making the fries without worrying about checking in.... 'cause we're all good here on our own :)
Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
I was thinking just today that this is one of my favorite threads. Going off-topic is gloriously good fun when we don't need to worry about offending the person who started the thread (for obvious reasons) and since they abandoned their thread we didn't have to be reminded that someone claiming to be a medical student would choose nurse-bashing as a good use of their precious free time!
Specializes in Case mgmt., rehab, (CRRN), LTC & psych.
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Methinks your view of success is more than a tad bit warped. :)
Here's the real deal, disenchanted buddy... We spotted this thread no less than five minutes after you had started it. We could have deleted it or yanked it from view, but instead we decided to leave it open for the merry amusement of our membership.
In addition, any thread you start is click-bait that generates even more page views for Allnurses.com (the more, the merrier). You may think you're the one in power here, but we consciously left this thread wide open for the masses.
And by the way, we're laughing our asses off at the troll, not feeding it.
Goodnight, goodbye, and get a life away from AN, unless you want to continue helping us drum up some more juicy click bait.
#TrollingSuccess
MedStudentNotRN
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#TrollingSuccess