Nursing after pre-med coursework?

msn10 · Aug 27, 2010

The reason I ask is because all of the pre-med courses I took (anatomy/physiology/etc.) were more difficult than the classes the nursing students were taking. Do these classes count towards my degree or do I have to start all over from scratch?

Um, let me stop you right there before my fellow colleagues begin their discussion. I also alert my fellow nurse to take a deep breath before responding.

Personally, I had to take almost all the same classes as pharmacy, pre-med, PT, etc. Many of the health sciences are required to take classes such as anat/phys ( I had to take 8 credits) chemistry, biology, etc. While you have a great start with all of your sciences, you obviously will have to do the nursing courses - you will probably qualify for the MSN or second degree nurse program. Villanova University College of Nursing has an accelerated BSN (14 months) for those who already hold a bachelor's in another specialty, but I am not sure about other PA schools.

Also, if you are looking for a break from 14 hour work days without lunch, you may have to think twice about nursing.

just_cause, BSN, RN · Aug 27, 2010

I had done a similar path... now in nursing realm I see the pharmD in the hospital an awesome job.... patient interaction.. advancement... good pay... respected member of health care team.. I'd look outside the pharm retail environment at the hospital pharmD.. I find it to be very interesting.. my 2 cents.

redessa · Aug 27, 2010

You may be in for a rude awakening. Some of those courses like anatomy, physiology and chemistry are not more difficult than the nursing classes, they're pre-reqs for nursing.

You may or may not have already taken all the prerqs for the nursing programs in your area - look up the schools near you and check their requirements. But I HIGHLY doubt you will be going straight into an MSN program based on your BS in biology. You still have to go to nursing school, get an ADN or BSN, pass the NCLEX and become an RN before getting an MSN. You may very well qualify for an accelerated BSN program and that would be preferable when going for a Master's but I have seen some RN-MSN bridge programs where you can start with the ADN and the BSN is rolled into the program.

beastykato · Aug 27, 2010

Thanks for the information on the programs.

I didn't mean to offend by the "more difficult" aspect of the courses I took as far as anatomy/phys etc. go. I'm thinking about this as my career too and certainly don't belittle nurses they are just as smart as anyone else and often times I feel nurses/pa's give better care that docs. That being said I know at the two universities I attended the nursing anat/phys had much less material than the pre-med and I took the nursing versions of those classes at penn state. That is why I referred to the pre-med class in that manor.

Regarding pharmacists in the hospital could you give me anymore info? Do those pharmacists really seem to like their job? The pharmacists I have spoken with about hospital pharmacy, some of which have actually done hospital, told me there was very little patient contact and they mostly sat in a white room checking scripts and consulting physicians. What I want is patient contact, I want to help others and I want to feel like I'm making a difference. Don't get me wrong I LOVE the "idea" of what a pharmacist is supposed to do but in reality i found it's much different.

beastykato · Aug 27, 2010

Also nurses aren't given breaks either? I don't mind a long day the reason I don't like it is because I see the pharmacists I work with and how dead they are everyday. They can barely get a bite to eat or even go to the bathroom they are so overworked. It makes me sick honestly. There have been a lot of dispensing mistakes that I think are attributed to this that I have seen and being that both a pharm. and nurse along with all the other health professions are holding patient lives in their hands I feel both should be given adequate breaks.

AgentBeast, MSN, RN · Aug 27, 2010

Direct Entry MSN (Masters in Nursing) Programs

lkwashington · Aug 27, 2010

If you decide to go to school for you MSN. You can get in you may have to study for a year for your RN then take the NCLEX and pass. Then continue with your MSN. I read a post on here about this process. I know you dont have to start all over. There is another option. Good luck.

nohika · Aug 27, 2010

Also nurses aren't given breaks either? I don't mind a long day the reason I don't like it is because I see the pharmacists I work with and how dead they are everyday. They can barely get a bite to eat or even go to the bathroom they are so overworked. It makes me sick honestly. There have been a lot of dispensing mistakes that I think are attributed to this that I have seen and being that both a pharm. and nurse along with all the other health professions are holding patient lives in their hands I feel both should be given adequate breaks.

That would be a perfect world. Unfortunately, reality isn't perfect. Nurses often have no breaks, or are stuck eating lunch while charting. There are many shifts you will work 14hrs + with no break. Don't forget you'll probably work nightshift, too.

beastykato · Aug 27, 2010

That's very unfortunate to hear. I guess it's like this almost everywhere. The nurses I know, one being my best friends mom, are forced to take 30min breaks to eat lunch at the very least. .... I will never work 14 hours straight without being able to keep my own body going regardless what my employer says or my profession.

One pharm I work with was almost fired from CVS because he would get up and leave the pharmacy to use the restroom and eat. After he threatened the district manager with a lawsuit because it's against regulations to eat around medications (bodily fluids and such) that are being dispensed to the public he never heard another word about it.

caroladybelle, BSN, RN · Aug 27, 2010

Also nurses aren't given breaks either? I don't mind a long day the reason I don't like it is because I see the pharmacists I work with and how dead they are everyday. They can barely get a bite to eat or even go to the bathroom they are so overworked. It makes me sick honestly. There have been a lot of dispensing mistakes that I think are attributed to this that I have seen and being that both a pharm. and nurse along with all the other health professions are holding patient lives in their hands I feel both should be given adequate breaks.

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Uhhh, it isn't much different in nursing.

By "law", we are supposed to get a break - we are legally permitted them and our paycheck charged for them. However, chances are we rarely leave the floor in many (most) places, and scarf down food between answering phone calls, and often even bedpanning pts, answering call lights.

Why, you ask? Because in many facilities, there is no additional staff during breaks....which means that you are passing your pts to be covered by a nurse that essentially be carrying twice the load, and invariably very little time to give them report. If you leave the floor, you come back to a mess, when that nurse has little time to cover your lights and theirs, and addition, will have to pick up theirs when they leave. It often is easier to eat between doing one's work, sadly enough....especially if we want to leave on time.

Barring California, there are no ratio laws and the nurse is "nurse, transport, aid, PT, OT, and RT". You cannot leave until your work is done (including charting) and if you clock out late, management will penalize you for it, whether they have floted people and left you short staffed or not. You are expected to go into report at 0700 and get out by 0730 - report on 6-12 pts), yet still answer all call lights, all phone calls, ready pts for transport if they need it, give stat meds, round with MDs, and get an admission settled if they come at shift change (and there is always an admit at shift change). Sound impossible - it is impossible. But if you clock out later than 0736, your manager will flag it as "poor time management".

This is life as a nurse in a large number of facilities out there.

Plus, you work holidays, nights, weekends. You also will deal with a whole lot of unpleasantness and messiness that pharmacists do not have to deal with.

Do these things lead to error? Of course they do. Does it change the facilities staffing? No, it does not. Instead they play with barcoding (which several studies have demonstrated does not reduce errors) and things like double checking high risk meds (which adds even more to the workload, as no other duties are taken off the staff to compensate). And they arm nurses with beepers to instantly summon them whether necessary or not, eliminate quiet med rooms (because the families want to see the nurses "on the floor"- to heck with letting them concentrate to give meds safely) and give them phones, requiring us answer within two rings with the hospital approved greeting, whether we are changing C'Diff diaper or not.

Nurses also get assaulted more than pharmacists do as well as do more lifting.

While there are good places out there, more and more facilities are cutting staffing to the bone. ALL licensed personnel in many facilities are being run ragged. And if you complain, management will tell you "there re plenty of other applicants that want jobs here".

Flying ICU RN · Aug 27, 2010

Unless you didn't make the grades, your Bio major puts you four years away from a medical internship.