Is English required to be an RN? - page 3
I have noticed from day one in here that many RNs use some of the poorest English and grammar I have ever seen. I am sure that we were required to take English as a requirement to graduate from... Read More
Jul 12, '04Occupation: RN Manager (Retired) Specialty: 10 year(s) of experience in ICU, CM, Geriatrics, Management ; From: US ; Joined: Sep '03; Posts: 3,325; Likes: 722Quote from purplemaniaAgree with ya. But remember that charting is also a task... a crucial one at that!... I understand thathas nothing to do with how well one performs a task... I am in favor of nurses being perceived as educated professionals who are due respect (and salary!!) befitting their education...
With respect to the second point above: of course, your dead on!
Jul 12, '04Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 5,673; Likes: 159There are so many more important things to worry about than theon a BB...a place we come to vent, relax a bit and wind down from the stress of the workplace.....
Jul 12, '04Joined: Jun '04; Posts: 49Hi,
I'm still relatively new to this site, and I was reading this thread; I found it most interesting. I find it childish to "nit pick" about the boards' spelling and grammar. It's not as if this site is a place to show off your professionalism. It is a place to ask questions, post thoughts, and of course give your opinions to the fore mentioned things. I can see how it can be annoying to see a grammar error or two, but look at it this way; If they were illiterate they wouldn't be in this field. I know that spelling and grammar do count as one of the many requirements needed to pass practical nursing courses, so I assume the same to be true for Rn's.
Last edit by NewbieNurse2005 on Jul 13, '04 : Reason: Made spelling errors..... HAHAHA
Jul 12, '04Occupation: LTC nurse, start Post OP next month!! Specialty: 2 year(s) of experience in LTC, Post OP ; Joined: Jul '03; Posts: 321; Likes: 4I too am one who can ramble in a post. But i was an A student english lit. and my other class that required writing papers. But i am not in class or doing a charts, I am on a BB now.
Shucks i know this post here has mistakes but at this moment in time i rather read more post than check grammar
Jul 12, '04Joined: Jan '04; Posts: 9,601; Likes: 3,187I Think That Jailhouse Probably Meant That Everyday Speech Is Becoming Uncouth....i Think There Should Be A Different Level Of Acceptance Depending On Where You Are.....ain't Ain't Acceptable Anywhere But Regional Differances Give Us Color...e Room Anything Goes Partly Because Of Differant Levels Of Typing Proficiency And Lack Of Proofreading Before Sending
Jul 12, '04Joined: Apr '00; Posts: 24,611; Likes: 35,448Quote from Jailhouse RNhey jailhouse,I have noticed from day one in here that many RNs use some of the poorest English and grammar I have ever seen. I am sure that we were required to take English as a requirement to graduate from nursing school. Did we leave it in the classroom, or is it that it was never really learned? I see from the charts I read at work that the case is the same in actual practice. I see so much chatroomease that it makes me sick to read some of the postings in here. Are we professionals that want to sound the part or somply chatroom fools? I for one at least try to sound and act professional. As RNs we have a reputation to be knowledgable and professional. Where are you?
just to clarify, are you referring to those who are actually nursing or here on the bb, where we tend to let our hair down??? we are nurses at work, and nurses off work when on the bb.
and again, i do agree that improper grammar/spelling is inexcusable, professionally speaking; and it is embarrassing when professionals do not represent themselves as such. but as op stated, you can tell those that are typing quickly (here on bb) rather than those that are deficient in the use of our english language.
Jul 12, '04Joined: Oct '02; Posts: 60,385; Likes: 16,568sorry for the double post.Last edit by Tweety on Jul 12, '04
Jul 12, '04Joined: Oct '02; Posts: 60,385; Likes: 16,568So back to topic at hand, which several of us misunderstood, I don't see much chatroom shorthand in charting around where I work. Definately a lot of shortcuts and shorthand but they teach us that in nursing school. Yes, a lot of misspellings, by doctors as well.Last edit by canoehead on Jul 13, '04 : Reason: response to personal attack; removed quote
Jul 12, '04Joined: Sep '03; Posts: 111I almost hate to get involved in this but as an ex-English teacher I find I can't help myself. My concern/gripe isn't the occasional typo or the fact that folks "talk" in a forum differently than they would in a formal document. What bothers me is the use of English in such a way as to discredit the user.
Me and her instead of she and I
There WAS twenty five patients instead of there WERE...
For better or for worse these things reflect on your abilities. As someone said earlier it's hard to have confidence in someone as a professional when they don't take the time to get the basics of the language right.
Having said that, for me it's a different matter with someone who is a non-native speaker. I give them a lot of credit for speaking a second language.
Ok, let the flaming begin!
Jul 12, '04Joined: Apr '00; Posts: 24,611; Likes: 35,448:chuckle
well ned, i have to agree with you. for those of us born and raised in america, it is unfortunate that many of us do not possess even the most basic elements of english. but that is a personal peeve of mine. i would never start a thread over it.
Jul 12, '04Occupation: home health Joined: Dec '02; Posts: 243; Likes: 16For better or for worse these things reflect on your abilities.
I am one of those picky, anal people when it comes to grammar and spelling, ESPECIALLY on charting and paperwork. It just drives me bonkers to read some of the charting at work. How hard is it to spell Haldol (when it is printed right on the bottle)? Hello? OTOH, I can understand less than perfect English on this BB, as many of us are think better than we type. (Or, in my case, reading this after a long night shift and on my way to bed).
Earlier in my caregiving career, I cared for a retired professor of nursing who was temporarily sidelined with a work-related shoulder injury. I was her private caregiver at home.(Anybody care to volunteer for THAT CNA assignment) :chuckle I was contemplating going back to school at the time and she was doing her best to encourage me. She was sharing her nursing experiences with me and offered this little gem regarding charting:
"I always insisted the nurses use the Queens' english in charting. In our litigious society, one never knows who may eventually be reading the charting. A nurses' clinical care may be top-notch, but if her charting is sloppy or incomplete, it will be perceived as sloppy unprofessional care of the patient." Even working as a student caring for terminaly ill patients at home, I still try to keep this in mind.
Jul 12, '04Occupation: Home Health Patient Education Resource Nurse Specialty: 10 year(s) of experience in Hemodialysis, Home Health ; From: US ; Joined: Aug '02; Posts: 21,359; Likes: 7,204No flames here, Ned, because I happen to agree.
As well as with Jailhouse RN's original intentions... charting and proper English and spelling.... on the job.
But "off duty" I accept ppl and their use (or misuse) of the English language just as I accept them... it is not an issue to me then. It might sting my ear as an out of tune piano key might, but there are far more pressing issues to enjoy.
Jul 12, '04Joined: Oct '02; Posts: 60,385; Likes: 16,568Ned, I guess I can agree that if even on a bb where I'm giving profressional advice and don't use proper spelling and grammar then it's hard to take my advice seriously. Guess that's what someone meant when they pm'd me that most of my posts were crap and that I give poor advice.
Silly me, I have the nerve to think I can get a BSN. :imbar