Nursing diagnosis "altered energy field"

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"Altered energy diagnosis"

Do you support this NANDA diagnosis? Or do you feel that this diagnosis threatens the legitamacy of our profession? Nanda still stands behind it. What are your thoughts?

paphgrl

I am a RN who is also a Reiki Master and Healing Touch Apprentice. The NANDA diagnosis "altered energy field" has been around for several years and I support it completely. I've seen results in wounds that wouldn't heal for months just by adding a HT technique with the client's permission. The idea of energy fields, auras, meridians or chakras is hardly a new concept.

Of course, there are some who promote alternative therapy over allopathic medicine and I absolutely do not agree with that. Using a rose stem up the rectum to correct the flow of chi or whatever they were attempting to do is the type of practice that is dangerous (obviously) and gives other complimentary modalities a bad name.

Free your mind and the rest will follow............

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I think it is a legitimate dignosis. A life force isn't something you can see, but we know when it is not there. The person is dead. It is my personal belief that it goes along with therapeutic touch and therapeutic touch, if it benefits a patient, becomes very real to that patient. I also think there are people who have an extra sense about them that allows them to feel and know things that others who aren't intuitive or closed minded to it might not...just my personal opinion. They would be able to sense a altered energy field by feeling its presence...

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Specializes in Pain Management.
Using a rose stem up the rectum to correct the flow of chi ...

But the real question is if that is a billable procedure. J/K.

One thing that would help (if we decide to start a new thread discussing various CAM and Integrative therapies) is to limit the conversation to actual modalities and cases; strawman arguments by either side are not very helpful. Please note that this suggestion is not directed towards any certain individual.

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Anyone that is so disdainful of modern medicine and so enamored with mystical cures obviously does not need nursing. Go your own way. Start your own fields and clinics. You don't need us and we don't need you. Quit trying to use nursing to legitimize your wacky beliefs and let us continue our science based nursing practice. I don't have a problem with what you do. I have a problem with you piggybacking it into modern nursing.IMHO

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Anyone that is so disdainful of modern medicine and so enamored with mystical cures obviously does not need nursing. Go your own way. Start your own fields and clinics. You don't need us and we don't need you. Quit trying to use nursing to legitimize your wacky beliefs and let us continue our science based nursing practice. I don't have a problem with what you do. I have a problem with you piggybacking it into modern nursing.IMHO

You are much more diplomatic about this than I am. I would suggest that they surrender their nursing licenses and take out some that more clearly reflect their mystical beliefs. With all the talk about the benefits of the alternative methods, why do the advocates of alternate therapies never say anything about the results of hypnosis or admit the existence of a placebo effect?

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I think it is a legitimate dignosis. A life force isn't something you can see, but we know when it is not there. The person is dead. It is my personal belief that it goes along with therapeutic touch and therapeutic touch, if it benefits a patient, becomes very real to that patient. I also think there are people who have an extra sense about them that allows them to feel and know things that others who aren't intuitive or closed minded to it might not...just my personal opinion. They would be able to sense a altered energy field by feeling its presence...

I don't think there is enough evidence to consider this a legitimate diagnosis, but I think you have made some good observations here. There is no way to really measure or test a persons spirit, yet at the same time, I have seen enough people die to know that, well, you just know they have left, if you know what I mean. And some people are incredibly intuitive, and maybe this is all an expression of that. But I think I would put this more under the ART of nursing, not the science. At least at this point.

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With all the talk about the benefits of the alternative methods, why do the advocates of alternate therapies never say anything about the results of hypnosis or admit the existence of a placebo effect?
This is exactly my point. If someone really wants to be a healer they should go to medical school and earn it. But it is so much easier to take a weekend course, claim magical powers an depend on placebo effect for positive anecdotal results. I am NOT the one with a closed mind. Those who reject scientific rigor, double blind testing, proven medical therapies and modern nursing practice should examine their own motives. There is a nurse at the local county hospital that runs around using TT on under insured patients. She has an ego the size of the Auria Borealis and is the laughing stock of the hospital. Her practice is not helping nurses gain the respect we deserve. I reject mystical powers. I reject magical thinking. I tell you, your emperor has no clothes. You have traded your cow for a packet of magical beans and want the rest of us to support an invisible bean stalk.
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This is exactly my point. If someone really wants to be a healer they should go to medical school and earn it. But it is so much easier to take a weekend course, claim magical powers an depend on placebo effect for positive anecdotal results. I am NOT the one with a closed mind. Those who reject scientific rigor, double blind testing, proven medical therapies and modern nursing practice should examine their own motives. There is a nurse at the local county hospital that runs around using TT on under insured patients. She has an ego the size of the Auria Borealis and is the laughing stock of the hospital. Her practice is not helping nurses gain the respect we deserve. I reject mystical powers. I reject magical thinking. I tell you, your emperor has no clothes. You have traded your cow for a packet of magical beans and want the rest of us to support an invisible bean stalk.

I know few practitioners of alternative medicine who reject scientific theory, proven medical treatments and modern nursing practice. They practice alternative therapies as an adjunct to their nursing care. And they do not force their believes or practices on anyone. Just as I should not judge the medical or nursing profession by the interact with one objectable member, neither should anyone else.

Grannynurse

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I'm referencing the point of "energy fields" and their place in nursing practice. Even if people can focus energy to repair these auras what has it got to do with nursing? How do we know if it even helps? How do we know we are not making things worse? How do we know if they even need repairing? What if every condition has it's own signature "field" and curing the disease is what's changing that field. Using invisible powers to fix invisible conditions is not nursing...it's quackery. IMHO

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Anyone that is so disdainful of modern medicine and so enamored with mystical cures obviously does not need nursing. Go your own way. Start your own fields and clinics. You don't need us and we don't need you. Quit trying to use nursing to legitimize your wacky beliefs and let us continue our science based nursing practice. I don't have a problem with what you do. I have a problem with you piggybacking it into modern nursing.IMHO

What about those of us who are firmly grounded in western science...yet realize the limitations of it? Eastern medicine also has its limitations. To deny the benefits of each is....what? I've posted before that "modern medicine" is way behind. This is not my discovery; it's well known to the sciences outside of medicine. Since "holistic" practice is a part of nursing, is there to be a committee to only accept certain modalities? Which ones do we piggyback into nursing. Or do we just insist that nursing stay on track with the now outdated medicine?

Another quote for you: "If those within the mass consciousness of medicine were able to remember that the Newtonian mechanistic approach is also a model based on two hundred year old concepts, the transition to the Einsteinian quantum model would be taking place with much less resistance. It is unfortunate that mainstream medicine still acts as if it believes the Newtonian concepts - that have been proven to be an inaccurate model for the last 50 years - are real." Gabriel Cousens, M.D. This was in 1987.

"Alternative systems of healing are often effective because they can correct abnormal patterns of function in the higher dimensional systems which control cellular physiology and behavioral patterns of expression." Richard Gerber, M.D.

With all the talk about the benefits of the alternative methods, why do the advocates of alternate therapies never say anything about the results of hypnosis or admit the existence of a placebo effect?

I think a big factor here is that you guys just don't know what's going on in the real world, LOL! The placebo is very much a part of all systems of medicine from a shaman dancing in front of a fire to a physician entering a room with a white coat and stethoscope around his neck followed by a group of people. There's even a book, Understanding the Placebo Effect in Complementary Medicine: Theory, Practice and Research.

If someone really wants to be a healer they should go to medical school and earn it.

Are you aware that in medical school you learn "curing" not "healing"...unless you go to one of the 27 medical schools who now believe that there has to be something else out there.

I am NOT the one with a closed mind.

Are you sure! Still don't want to feel that "energy" do you? "If we are beings of energy, then it follows that we can be affected by energy." Richard Gerber, M.D.

Those who reject scientific rigor, double blind testing, proven medical therapies and modern nursing practice should examine their own motives.

If a double blind study is not valid (as I've said before) just how much acceptance do we put into it? If you need me to explain why a double blind study has its limitations, I will. But you might be able to find it yourself. "Proven" medical therapies are "disproved" all the time by a study which shows that the first study was wrong, LOL!

There is a nurse at the local county hospital that runs around using TT on under insured patients. She has an ego the size of the Auria Borealis and is the laughing stock of the hospital. Her practice is not helping nurses gain the respect we deserve. I reject mystical powers. I reject magical thinking. I tell you, your emperor has no clothes. You have traded your cow for a packet of magical beans and want the rest of us to support an invisible bean stalk.

There are quacks in every field. Don't let them get you off track. Do you really want nursing to be aligned with a reductionistic ancient system?

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Specializes in Med Surg, ICU, Perioperative.

Unbelievable. NANDA has gone too far with this "nursing diagnosis." It sounds like something from Star Wars or Star Trek. They need to stop this nonsense if nursing as a profession is to retain any dignity or credibility.

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Richard Gerber's theories on vibrational energetic medicine, homeopathic remedies, crystal healing, TT, radionics, psychic healing, electrotherapy and etc. ad nauseum have no bearing on the here and now of nursing. He mixes enough scientific sounding facts with his wacko philosophies and voodoo theories to fool the unwary. He is the king of quacks and is no model for modern professional nursing. Without studies on the efficacy of therapies, what are we left with? Dark ages medicine!

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