Nursing diagnosis "altered energy field"

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"Altered energy diagnosis"

Do you support this NANDA diagnosis? Or do you feel that this diagnosis threatens the legitamacy of our profession? Nanda still stands behind it. What are your thoughts?

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Before doing a statistical analysis one needs to identify the statistical procedures used or if the procedures are appropriate to the hypotheses, or questions and if the individual's interpretation of the data is appropriate and if the findings have any clinical significance. And of course, is the study quantitative or qualitative, to name a few of the decisions that must be investigated before undertaking a statistical analysis,

Grannynurse:balloons:

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How would a diagnosis of "disturbed energy field" and the interventions associated with the dx, when documented in a patients care, hold up in court in a malpractice case? I wouldn't want to be involved in an attempt to defend it.

BTW, thank you all for this great discussion!

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Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.
Are you saying that you don't like nursing diagnosis as a rule or you just don't believe in energy fields?

I have lived long enough, and seen enough unexplained occurrences---even miracles---to know better than to rule out ANY possibility.

That doesn't mean that a 'possibility' can be called science.

To be honest, Randy, I think NANDA is FOS. We don't need to borrow the word 'diagnosis' from the medical profession to lend ourselves credibility; we are a profession in our own right, and we should use our own language to describe what we do and what we aim to help our patients accomplish. That's a lot of what we're all about. But taking something as subjective as human beliefs/feelings and trying to slap a scientific label on them doesn't make it science, any more than sitting in a garage makes one a mechanic.

Just my two pennies' worth.:mad:

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I'm not sure how to tell when an energy field is disturbed, or when it's been repaired and now with all this talk about TT, I'm afraid to point my fingers toward anyone in case they go off accidentally. Could this be what's causing all the energy fields to be disturbed in the first place? Accidental TT discharge. What is the nursing diagnosis?

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Agree, it has to be practical eventually.

For fun, read "Damned Lies and Statistics: Untangling Numbers from the Media, Politicians, and Activists" and "More Damned Lies and Statistics: How Numbers Confuse Public Issues"

For fun? I did an informal study and 29 out of 30 people surveyed concluded that statictics is not fun.

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To be honest, Randy, I think NANDA is FOS.

LOL, I agree with you there. I'm not even talking about TT in particular, but for those who might have an interest in energetic modalities or integrative medicine, here are some references, comments, etc.:

Voices of Integrative Medicine: conversations and Encounters is a fascinating book about physicians and scientists and their experiences in integrative medicine. From the forward by Dr. Dossey, "Hang on to your hat. The ideas that follow will challenge many of the assumptions you make about the nature of health and illness, and your own nature as well. But there are no preachy exhortations in these pages, just gentle invitations to consider new views. Almost all these visionaries are highly trained professionals who work within science and who honor its traditions. They are not asking you to reject modern medicine but to expand it."

Also in the book...Dr. Andrew Weil talking about Rosalyn Bruyere and his viral infection..."She told me to lie on a table, and she put her hands on my throat. Immediately, I felt strong vibrations from her hands. After a few minutes, I could feel the vibrations going down to my toes. What was especially interesting was that when she took her hands off, the vibrations continued for 10 minutes."

Alternative Therapies in Health and Medicine is a peer-reviewed journal that you can find at most bookstores.

The Quantum Doctor: A Physicist's Guide to Health and Healing can help you understand stuff you don't believe in!

The Living Energy Universe is very thought provoking.

Molecules of Emotion by Candace Pert, Ph.D. Her research into neuropeptides and receptors pretty much crushed cherished beliefs held by scientists and provided evidence of what alternative medicine practitioners had been doing for centuries.

I just finished The Biology of Belief by a cell biologist named Bruce Lipton, Ph.D. As a result of his work, he has now crossed over to the "good" side!

Dr. Shui Yin Lo's book The Biophysics Basis for Acupuncture and Health has details of lot's of studies as well as the full references to them.

Knock yourself out, LOL!

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For fun? I did an informal study and 29 out of 30 people surveyed concluded that statictics is not fun.

4 out of 3 people also have trouble with fractions, LOL!

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I'm not sure how to tell when an energy field is disturbed, or when it's been repaired and now with all this talk about TT, I'm afraid to point my fingers toward anyone in case they go off accidentally. Could this be what's causing all the energy fields to be disturbed in the first place? Accidental TT discharge. What is the nursing diagnosis?

1. Impaired thread communication

2. Altered thread function

3. Thread role strain

4. Ineffective thread coping

5. Potential for enhanced thread communication

6. Disfunctional thread discussion

7. Acute confusion

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4 out of 3 people also have trouble with fractions, LOL!

The leading cause of death in laboratory rats is scientists. hee hee.

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You know, my energy field is getting a bit disturbed...wait a minute!

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For fun? I did an informal study and 29 out of 30 people surveyed concluded that statictics is not fun.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

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They are not asking you to reject modern medicine but to expand it."

The thing is... with Western medicine... it does have a built-in process to accept other ideas. The more radical the ideas, the more scientific proofs you need and you also need time for people to adjust psychologically. When we say "alternative medicine", what it really means is that it is not proven yet through the rigor of scientific methods. Once it passes mustard, so to speak, it won't be "alternative" anymore and it will be mainstream or at least it will be "integrative". We see this all the time even now. Back to the original intent of this thread, the nursing diagnosis should have wait until it passes the scientific rigor. It is kind of obvious that this energy field diagnosis is a political move from TT people because it only recommend TT for energy disturbance. What about other energy manimulation like Reiki? Right now it is just too controversial to include.

Or better yet, as other posters have indicated, just get rid of the nursing diagnosis and problem solved.

Now with other medical systems, do they have this built-in process for change? If they do, what are they and how good are they comparing to the Western model? Do they incorporate Western Medicines also just as Western medicine can incorporate other ideas as long as it passes the rigor of scientific process. Since many of these other medical systems are ancient, how much have they change recently or they sort of semi-frozen in their own world view and unable to absorb other ideas?

One thing about Western medicine which is a real pain is that we document everything. But that is necessary unfortunately. Western medicine tends to know in numbers even in how many people it killed. Now the alternative medicine, how good are these kinds of documentation, espcially in terms of when it does not work and ended up harming people?

To follow up the above questions, assume energy field exists and assuming that one can manipulate it for good - what are the potential side effects? Any potential interactions with other medical treatment? Since you are dealing with energy fields, say, would all the high tech hospital equipments affect the the energy field?

As mentioned already a while back, the nursing diagnosis for TT also mentioned that for seniors and children, one has to a bit more cautious. So, evidently from TT themselves, there is potential harm? Do we have studies on this on maybe actual harm? If not, why this caution? Actually if you can demonstrate TT can do deadly harm, you just prove the possibility of the energy field. You can't do it on a person of course, can you do it on a rat? Apply TT wrong and ended up killing the rat (assume energy field exisit in all animals).

Also how hard is it to train a person in TT? Is it like training someone to become a neurosurgeon or is it like training someone to be a dishwasher or somewhere in between. If it is like neurosurgeon where only a certain "gifted" person can detect these fields AND manipulate it for good, then it won't work in nursing as it is like a faith-healer where only a very select few have or claim to have these abilities.

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