Nursing diagnosis "altered energy field"

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"Altered energy diagnosis"

Do you support this NANDA diagnosis? Or do you feel that this diagnosis threatens the legitamacy of our profession? Nanda still stands behind it. What are your thoughts?

paphgrl

I would put the instances under the heading "placebo effect" and I would put all energy fields, TT, Reiki, prayer, meditation, aromatherapy, acupuncture, etc. in this category.

Rebecca

I hate to mess up your day but how would you explain some of these working with animals???? I asked my dog if he knew what placebo meant and he just stared at me. :chuckle

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Specializes in med-surg 18 months, respiratory 3.5 year.

Quoted by Zenman"I hate to mess up your day but how would you explain some of these working with animals???? I asked my dog if he knew what placebo meant and he just stared at me."

"I would put the instances under the heading "placebo effect" and I would put all energy fields, TT, Reiki, prayer, meditation, aromatherapy, acupuncture, etc. in this category. I am saying that I believe patients can cure themselves if they are of the right mind. I am in no way negating the actuality of energy fields if they can one day be proven by some still-uninvented technology. "

I did not mean to imply that the patient needed to have understanding of any spoken language. The patients don't even need to be human.

Rebecca

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Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.
I hate to mess up your day but how would you explain some of these working with animals???? I asked my dog if he knew what placebo meant and he just stared at me. :chuckle

I just tried the same thing with mine.........a few minutes later, a strong hint of eau de poo was noted emanating from the hall. Looks like he feels the same way I do about this 'diagnosis'.:chuckle

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I just tried the same thing with mine.........a few minutes later, a strong hint of eau de poo was noted emanating from the hall. Looks like he feels the same way I do about this 'diagnosis'.:chuckle

Are you saying that you don't like nursing diagnosis as a rule or you just don't believe in energy fields?

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Specializes in Med-Surg.

I strongly believe in the placebo effect. Sometimes people just need to do something.

"I'm nervous and depressed, so I'll light use some lavender lotion". And behold they are bit calmer.

"I'm hurting, so I'll turn it over to the Lord". And behold they feel better and their physical condition improves.

"I have a cold, so I'll take some echineacha (sp?)". And behold their immune system improves.

"I'm nervous and disjointed being sent to this nursing home, what can you do?" Nurse does therapeautic touch. And behold the person is better.

Patient is screaming in pain. Takes a percocet. Two seconds later is on the phone in laughing, long before pain medicine can take effect.

Placebo effect? Or scienfitic proof that these interventions work? Doesn't really matter much to me.

I don't know how many days I walk around thinking "I just don't feel right today. Don't know what it is, but just don't feel right." I can't say how many times I've heard other people say that. Now I'm not going to go around saying "maybe our energy fields are altered", but then again, maybe they are.

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Specializes in CCRN, CNRN, Flight Nurse.

Biofeedback.... TT..... Grandma's Chicken Soup....... Whatever you wish to call it.....The mind is a powerful thing........

Altered Energy Field does not have a place as a careplan (IMHO).:chair: :sofahider

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This is often said, even by intelligent people, but is completely untrue. Einstein's theories of relativity were not new, or even his own. His contribution, like Newton's, was not that he figured out a new theory, but that he figured out how to prove the theory. All of his theories were preceded by quantitative research. To do that with energy fields would require that someone 1. Measure the energy fields and 2. Come up with measureable outcomes.

Because there are yet to be developed tools to measure energy fields, they cannot exist. And because they cannot exist because they cannot be measured, the theory is invalid. Seems to me this type of thinking and reasoning have been around for a long time, a very long time. And it has been found to be in error before, wonder how long it will take to develop the necessary tools. I'm willing to wait obviously others are not. So be it.

Grannynurse:balloons:

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Specializes in Nursing assistant.
Biofeedback.... TT..... Grandma's Chicken Soup....... Whatever you wish to call it.....The mind is a powerful thing........

Altered Energy Field does not have a place as a careplan (IMHO).:chair: :sofahider

But chicken soup sure does!:coollook:

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But chicken soup sure does!:coollook:

Sometimes it is not just placebo, depending on the illness, you do have "spontaneous remission" where the person just get better by him/herself.

About the chicken soup, off topic... it reminded me of a far side cartoon where a chicken is giving chicken soup to another sick chicken. The sick chicken refuse to drink it. The other chicken said "Chicken soup is good for you, beside it is nobody we know."

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Specializes in Nursing assistant.
Your words, not mine. And the series -------- for dummies is utilized by both the minimally educated to the advance educated, so, once again, it is your choice of the word 'uneducated'. If that is how you view yourself that is unfortunate but your misfortune, certainly not mine.

Grannynurse:balloons:

Just have to answer that lil' old uneducated nursing assistant thingey:

First of all, I am sort of little, I am definitely old (I am a grandma too!) I have no formal education, and I am a nursing assistant. I am proud to be what I am, and I do not find this unfortunate in any way. We all walk different paths, learn from our experiences, our studies, our relationships. These things are valid, and as long as I stay within my scope of practice, I believe asking questions and being as informed as possible will only make me a better nursing assistant. I think you would be surprised how much help I would be to you on a job!

But I do understand that in general educated people are appalled at this out look. But maybe you can gain a different perspective by considering things from this angle too.

If I were you, I would be very proud of my accomplishments. To achieve the level of education you have and raise a family, and be a GMa, wow. I am impressed. But aren't you glad there are different types of people out there?

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Just have to answer that lil' old uneducated nursing assistant thingey:

First of all, I am sort of little, I am definitely old (I am a grandma too!) I have no formal education, and I am a nursing assistant. I am proud to be what I am, and I do not find this unfortunate in any way...

You know, my dad has a Ph.D. from Stanford and my mom just has a high school degree from Hong Kong. Guess what, after both my parents died and I had some time to reflect... my mom definitely have the most impact on her children and all the people around her because of her caring heart, her openingness to other people, and she never looked down on anyone. I still remember her asking the waiters in the resturant (in HK, it tends to be very class conscious) his/her names and a little bit about their family. Then the next time we went to the same resturant, she actually remember their names and their family (boy, did we get good services).

Or at a fictional level, you can look at Star Trek. At the Star Trek acadamey, one of the most influenctial person is actually the gardener as he understands life.

One problem with the healthcare culture in a number of places is this - we look down on people who are less education than us. So we have doctors looking down on nurses. RNs looking down on LPV/LVP. LPN/LVP looking down on CNAs and so on. In a health CARE culture, we sometimes forgotten the caring part with our co-workers (above, equal, and below you in rank).

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These things are valid, and as long as I stay within my scope of practice, I believe asking questions and being as informed as possible will only make me a better nursing assistant. I think you would be surprised how much help I would be to you on a job!

Good attitude. I think this can be apply to all of us regardless of educational level. I would just replace "nursing assistant" with "RN/LPV/LVP/NP/whatever".

But I do understand that in general educated people are appalled at this out look.

Hmmm... I don't know if that is true. Probably depending on the kind of people you meet. We probably should do some sampling and apply some statistical annalysis to see if we have data supporting this. :chuckle

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