Catholic hospitals-yes or no? - page 2
what would working in a catholic hospital be like? is there any reason to be concerned about the atmosphere in one? i have a job offer and have heard some negative things about catholic... Read More
Sep 11, '06I'm going to throw a different view in here. I had a difficult experience while on a contract at a Catholic hospital working in OB. I am going to have to be somewhat vague as I don't want to skirt the edge of a privacy violation. I watched a woman in a situation where the only possible way to treat her life threatening problem was termination of a not yet viable pregnancy. She was much too unstable to transfer to another town for alternate care. Because the Catholic facility required two physicians to sign for this and multiple others refused to do so, this woman's condition became worse and worse while administrators and ethics commitees were called in to debate it.
This raised such ethical issues for me that I have decided that I will not again work in a religiously affiliated facility that espouses such views.
Sep 11, '06They serve fish every Friday...
Some of the ER docs claim they aren't "allowed" to write for the morning after pill...
One night, I found one that wrote it for a pt however...
Religious bias has no place in a hospital...
Sep 11, '06What about pay? I worked at a Catholic facility, and they justified the crap pay with lectures on how we were doing God's work out of the goodness of our own hearts.
Sep 12, '06I am a postpartum nurse in a large, urban Catholic hospital and it's the best place I've ever worked. Our clientele runs the gamut in race, culture, religion, education, and socio-economic group. We have Hmong patients, African tribal patients, Hispanic patients, Russian patients. One night, each of my four mother/baby couplets was from a different continent and one spoke no English at all. We are located in a neighborhood that has a large number of Orthodox Jewish families who tend to be within walking distance of their synagogues.
From orientation onward, we are taught to be respectful of the needs of our patients. The spiritual directives (Respect, Integrity, Stewardship, etc.) apply to US in giving care. We make no spiritual demands of our patients, although spiritual support is readily available should they want it.
One example of spiritual values in action is that we have been instructed to contact the chaplain on call (drawn from a large group of varying denominations) whenever there is a situation where death seems imminent. This is not only to offer support to the family (who can request their own clergy person or someone of their own faith), but to minister to staff who may be disturbed by the situation. Chaplains have held on-the-spot debriefing sessions after rough ED cases or NICU losses. That the administration considers our needs as staff members means a lot to us.
There are some limitations on reproductive issues (moms can have a tubal after the third child), but whenever possible, these conditions are discussed with the patients at the inception of prenatal care.
I like working in a facility that is run according to openly stated values. Our pay is quite competetive because, "the workman is worthy of his hire." Decisions are made with the big picture in mind and I don't have the feeling that the administration is constantly trying to put on over on us.
There is another large healthcare system in our area that feels the exact opposite. I feel very blessed indeed not to have to work for them.
Sep 12, '06I worked for a Catholic hospital for the last 10 years and loved it. I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic schools. I was very happy with the benefits, the environment and especially the mission to help the poor. Last year, this hospital provided $54 million dollars worth of charity care.
Sep 12, '06Quote from TweetyTotally to save money, for sure. I doubt it has anything to deal with personal "feelings" on the issue. Hospitals will always try to save money and cut costs. Eventually, in the future, they will have to pay.While I can't imagine a Catholic hospital even considering the notion of domestic partner benefits, what you say is true, it's common not to offer domestic partner benefits in quite a bit of hospitalis, Chritsian and non-Christian.
Sep 12, '06I worked at a large Catholic teaching hospital in the mid-west for years. It was a great place to work. Competitive pay, good benes...complete tuition coverage. Pension plan wasn't great....but that was my only complaint.
Sep 12, '06I work in a Catholic hospital. It's a great place to work. The 'Sisters' seem to me to place how they treat their employees as one of their 'missions'.
Now, I HAVE had co-workers complain that the insurance won't cover BC, and I suspect that is both true, and their right to respect their religious beliefs.
But, if you ask me, popping a few bucks a month for your own BC is WORTH decent pay (one of the highest cola adjusted salaries in the nation), defined benefit AND contribution plans, educational reimbursement, and ratios on par with the California law - here in Texas.
And there ARE crosses and Bibles in the rooms. But now, that doesn't bother ME. I'm not Catholic, but as far as I can tell, their Christian mission does not compromise my very own in any signficant way.
You don't have to be Catholic, or even Christian, to work in a Catholic hospital and respect your contribution.
And there IS a different focus working for a not for profit over a for profit. I've worked both. The difference: the chief 'Shareholder' of a not for profit doesn't balance the books in this lifetime.
Timothy.Last edit by ZASHAGALKA on Sep 12, '06
Sep 12, '06Quote from PeachPieNew grad pay is $20 here.What about pay? I worked at a Catholic facility, and they justified the crap pay with lectures on how we were doing God's work out of the goodness of our own hearts.
Sep 12, '06My sister works for a Catholic hospital here in TX, and I did my clinical at the same one, and it was WONDERFUL! All of the employees seemed to be very kind to one another. Most of the nurses were very kind and patient with the students, and I have noticed quite the opposite at other facilities. My sister said they actually make a point to teach the importance of treating one another with respect during new hire Orientation. I am a new grad and really wanted to work there, but the pay was pretty low compared to some other facilities, I will probably go there when I finish with my RN. I found them to be the same as other hospital's where religion was concerned, except for the things that other's have mentioned here. Good luck!!
Sep 15, '06I worked as a CNA in a Catholic hospital for 13 months. I am not a Catholic, but was respectful of others' beliefs and practices during my time there.
It is hard to say definitively if my problems with the facility and staff were due to the fact that I'm not Catholic, I refuse to behave like another mindless female sheep (dominated and disrespected by men), or because I didn't hide the fact that I actually have more than 2 brain cells that fire at the same time. The community is largely made up of old-fashioned, hard line Catholics whose family structure and beliefs dictate that "at home, men rule"....the feelings and opinions of women are not regarded as worthy of notice or concern. So, the women in these homes, when given positions that include having power over others(RNs bossing and harrassing CNAs), go just a little bit overboard.
Nothing that I did....the way I did it, the reason that I did it, or when I did it was good enough for those females (and boy, am I being nice when I call them THAT!). It was "wrong" to laugh while on duty, not walk around with a smile plastered on your face (I actually got lectured once about my facial expression!!), or answer ANY questions from patients (even ones well within my scope of practice!!) Male CNA's....well, the rules simply didn't apply to them. When I was hired I was told that I would have to "work my share" in LTC. Okay, not my cup of tea, but I did it. Along comes this male CNA and in 4 months, he worked ONE shift in LTC. When the DNS questioned me about my "attitude problem" about LTC, I told her that I don't mind rules, as long as they're applied straight across the board....he should have to pull equal shifts in LTC. (Hey, she asked.) Now mind you, even though I wasn't thrilled with LTC, NONE of my patients ever lacked the proper care and I was not surly or negative with them.
I never heard of a single person (RN or CNA) who received a good performance review from the DNS and charge nurses....everyone came out of that office carrying a wad of Kleenex....all except the "Golden Boy" that is. I had a run-in with him one night. I was running my butt off down in LTC and there was a call light on in Med-Surg. Here he stands at the nurses station talking to one of the docs and 10 minutes later the call light was still on. I said, "Would you mind terribly getting that light....IF it's not too much trouble because I'm kind of busy here?". The charge immediately called me into an empty room and told me that I was being unprofessional and rude. She told me that I had to apologize to "Golden Boy". I was bustin' my tail, he was lazing around the nurses station, and I asked for some help....to this day I can't figure out what was so unprofessional and rude.
It seemed a little strange that a facility whose "core values" included "Justice, Compassion, and Tolerance" had such a short supply of it when it came to their employees. The administration and managers practiced and encouraged browbeating, preferential treatment, and incessant backbiting/tattling. Good work was never acknowledged or praised. Every little thing was analyzed to the point of absurdity. The DNS and the senior charge even called me into the office one day and informed me that I didn't "have what it takes to be in the nursing field" and that I "would never make it as a nurse". I am so glad that I didn't let those pitiful, bitter, dried up poor excuses for managers dictate my future for me. If I had allowed their opinions to matter I would never have had the courage to go back to school, let alone graduate.
I left that job 13 months after I hired on and when I left I had an ulcer. My doctor (one of the staff docs there) told me "You should leave before they break you". I agreed, gave my notice, and immediately embarked on the path to my ADN. (I made sure I sent the DNS a graduation announcement...hehehe)
Several of my classmates work at that hospital (a few of them worked there while I was employed there too) and they've suggested that I apply for a job there. NOT IF IT WAS THE LAST HOSPITAL ON THE PLANET!!!!! I would sell my body on the street before I'd even consider going back to work there.
I know that not all Catholic hospitals are that way and I have applied to one this week for an opening in Med-Surg. I hope that I will have a better experience at that facility and I plan to try very hard to keep an open mind in regard to management and my co-workers.