We had this huge discussion at work today, and i thought i'd get your opinions.
The statement was this: "We have to many people becoming nurses for the money. Its not like it used to be, where a nurse chose to be a nurse because they liked helping people. Its all about the money,."
We were talking about the increased patient complaints, and an older nurse stated the above and thats the reason for increased patient complaints.
I said that if it took longer to get a nursing degree, it would weed out a lot of the bad seeds.....Not all of them of course, but a lot of them.....
I agree bad seeds would be weeded out if it took 6 years to become a nurse, as for $20-30/hr it would be the only the mother theresa's of the profession who would go through that many years of misery for that wage. I certainly wouldn't have done it! But, bob, I think you were talking mainly about the time commitment and yes, I too agree that would deter alot of potential nurses and the majority of those dissuaded would be the ones less apt to be truly into it. I know this will get some negative comment, but I think it should also be noted that a nurse can get away with being second or third rate a lot easier than a doctor; just as is true for say a CNA over and RN...
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I bet my next check there *are* no facts published regarding "bad seeds" being weeded out by the process of extensive education. It's an opinion, and one I vehemently disagree with. I choose NOT to be insulted by it, even though I could be.
Rather, I chose to tackle what a person is trying to put out as "information" based on some self-initiated research by polling people and making assumptions. I challenged what I think are conclusions based on very flawed logic, no more, no less. And I am being accused of being on a "high horse" for using my critical thinking skills to challenge what I believe is wrong. Whatever. It is great to have freedom of expression, isn't it?
Bob, not to be flippant, but I am wondering. As hard as nursing school is to get into these days and with the dropout/fail rate the way it is, and with NCLEX as hard as it is, is adding more years on really proven to weed out even more bad seeds?
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I am still waiting to know how it is "Bad seeds " make it into medicine, pharmacy, law and other highly educated professions. I am not being flippant, either. I am earnest.
I am still waiting to know how it is "Bad seeds " make it into medicine, pharmacy, law and other highly educated professions.
There everywhere in all profressions. Nursing isn't unique here in my opinion.
Right now there's NCLEX to help nurses weed out the bad seeds, but it isn't flawless.
One of the good things about being a consumer in the USA is that we can choose. Personally, there are only a few docs that I would choose to be my doctor, based on their profressionalism, knowledge and bedside manner. I had a hard time picking one this year when I decided to get a physical.
I still want to know why you (or anyone for that matter), would assume nurses' reasons to enter nursing should be called into question versus doctors, lawyers, whomever you choose to name?
It was a topic of conversation. It was based on the fact that many nurses in the conversation felt to many people came into nursing for the wrong reasons.
*You *were the one who eluded to the mistaken notion that if a person spends more time educating/going to school, the likelihood he/she is in the right profession for the right reasons improves. I say you are wrong.
This is based on the fact that many people go into nursing because its a short track to decent wages. 1 year of nursing school = LPN/13-16 dollars per hour or more....... 2 years of nursing school = 15-? dollars per hour........Its a fairly quick way to make a good wage with job stability. So naturally, people will go to nursing to make a living....Ive seen people lose their job at sales, they go into nursing. They lose their job at the corporate level, go into nursing. Single mom after divorce, goes into nursing....and etc....etc....etc......
There is NOTHING wrong with pointing out flawed logic. Further, I am not the one turning this into an education debate. I am challenging your logic, as you put it out.
Really no logic.......Just a conversation that i felt was left unanswered, so i brought it here, at a wider scale to see other opinions.....
You do not need to refer me to the OP, you are the one "steering" the topic with each post you make. I am simply addressing the posts you DO make here---as you make them. There is nothing wrong with that.
Im not really steering the topic. ITs based on the original post.....Steering the topic is the ASN vs BSN and so forth.
And I would like an answer. Why not poll doctors and lawyers (since you mentioned them) to ascertain their sense of altruism versus making a living? I think it only fair. Lord knows, there is plenty of pro bono work for lawyers, if they are inclined. And there are many in need of doctors who have no means whatsoever to repay the services they provide. Why don't they all do that? Is it up to me to judge them? I don't think so....
This is a topic about why nurses become nurses. I can probably make a safe assumption that doctors and lawyers do it for the money......So they have little sense of altruism. WHy do kids go to med school.......for the money.
And if you are going to get into doing research, please make sure you do it the right way.
Good day.
No research being done.....just a poll with a small sample size........never referred to it as research.....I just asked a handful of nurses why they chose nursing...............SO if i were doing research, well.........we wont go there..
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I respectfully leave this thread for others. I am through being insulted. Have a good day. I hope you can refrain from insulting others in making your points. It has weakened your end of the debate considerably in my eyes. Before I go....
You make many assumptions and state few facts. That you think doctors and lawyers all go into it for money must mean you know very few of them. My cousin became a lawyer and does pro bono work and works (to support his family) for the government, for not too much money. I also know a classmate from high school who went to medical school to become a pediatrician and be able to do the most good for the most people----so she has traveled extensively to poor and underserved areas to do her good works. Another one who makes little money compared to her colleagues.
Anyhow what is the point? From this high horse, what can I possibly know, right?
Well enjoy the thread and have a good weekend everyone. :)
I agree bad seeds would be weeded out if it took 6 years to become a nurse, as for $20-30/hr it would be the only the mother theresa's of the profession who would go through that many years of misery for that wage. I certainly wouldn't have done it! But, bob, I think you were talking mainly about the time commitment and yes, I too agree that would deter alot of potential nurses and the majority of those dissuaded would be the ones less apt to be truly into it. I know this will get some negative comment, but I think it should also be noted that a nurse can get away with being second or third rate a lot easier than a doctor; just as is true for say a CNA over and RN...
Grrrrr, it's my least favorite posting style.:angryfire
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heh, heh...:chuckle
What happened to the funny post I was quoting???