We had this huge discussion at work today, and i thought i'd get your opinions.
The statement was this: "We have to many people becoming nurses for the money. Its not like it used to be, where a nurse chose to be a nurse because they liked helping people. Its all about the money,."
We were talking about the increased patient complaints, and an older nurse stated the above and thats the reason for increased patient complaints.
By advocating that a BSN nurse is the better idea, you are putting down all the ADNs that you work with. Yes you are. Yes. Doesn't matter if that's not your intent, it is the result.
~faith.
I disagree.
I agree that might be the result in some cases. I feel put down by arrogant BSN nurses who think they are superior.
I don't feel put down by intelligent discussion advocating a BSN nurse is the better idea. That the ANA and certain acedemic universities are advocating BSN as the entry level, doesn't put me down at all. I have no issue with my education and my qualifications as an ADN nurse, and my role in health care.
ADN nurses shouldn't be put down by the movement. Nor should BSN advocates feel the need to be silenced because some have issues with feeling put down.
And it's totally ridiculous to take one incident about one person with a BSN and have it prove something. Really illogical and unscientific. That's a similar mentality as racial stereotyping...
Of course you are right.
But the ADN/BSN thing is the exact same mentality/stereotyping. Which I think was my point.
I have heard this at work, BTW, but most of us consider each other peers.
I'll drop this as the thread isn't about this, although for the record, I didn't bring it up. Somebody else suggested that shorter degree programs is why we have 'bad' nurses, not me.
I agree that might be the result in some cases. I feel put down by arrogant BSN nurses who think they are superior.
I don't feel put down by intelligent discussion advocating a BSN nurse is the better idea. That the ANA and certain acedemic universities are advocating BSN as the entry level, doesn't put me down at all. I have no issue with my education and my qualifications as an ADN nurse, and my role in health care.
ADN nurses shouldn't be put down by the movement. Nor should BSN advocates feel the need to be silenced because some have issues with feeling put down.
Am I making sense at all? :rotfl:
and off we go.........................
Makes sense to me. :) I think it's an ego thing, as are most things like this. We might feel a little threatened by some young, bright-eyed, slightly cocky young, pre-menopausal BSN whippersnapper. :chuckle
For me, because of where I lived, the closest program was an ADN. To make the BSN thing work, you'll need a lot more outreach by the universities onto the community college campuses, to make it practical for all the people who are going back to school, have kids, and need to work while they attend school.
I think i was the one to begin the education issue.....But i never meant it to be a BSN vs ASN vs etc.........I didnt even mention any type of degrees.....I said that if it took longer to get a nursing degree, it would weed out a lot of the bad seeds.....Not all of them of course, but a lot of them.......But i never mentioned making it a BSN degree, MSN, or etc.... It was a hypothetical statement.....
I think i was the one to begin the education issue.....But i never meant it to be a BSN vs ASN vs etc.........I didnt even mention any type of degrees.....I said that if it took longer to get a nursing degree, it would weed out a lot of the bad seeds.....Not all of them of course, but a lot of them.......But i never mentioned making it a BSN degree, MSN, or etc.... It was a hypothetical statement.....
It used to be, back when the late, great Aunt Ruth went to school in the 30's, that you had to live at the school and be their slave for 2 years, you couldn't be married, they had extremely strict rules, etc. So, nursing education does evolve, and can cont to do so as society changes...
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i never said i polled anyone to see the validity of thier reasons.......i just polled them to see........everyone has thier reasons, as do you for posting this. i havent judged anyone........so get off your high horse and read the posts.......i personally dont care why you became a nurse, as long as you do your job.
but its a fact if nursing school was longer, we wouldnt have some of the bad seeds that we have (and yes, we would still have bad seeds)...you've gotta have the desire and heart to stick out 8 plus years of school to become a md or attorney (and yes, there are md's and attorneys out there that are in it for the wrong reasons)...........so there are indeed different standards.....
but if you read my original post.....well let me post it, just incase you forgot it....
we had this huge discussion at work today, and i thought i'd get your opinions.
the statement was this: "we have to many people becoming nurses for the money. its not like it used to be, where a nurse chose to be a nurse because they liked helping people. its all about the money,."
we were talking about the increased patient complaints, and an older nurse stated the above and thats the reason for increased patient complaints.
so, what do you think.
who is on a high horse? i still want to know why you (or anyone for that matter), would assume nurses' reasons to enter nursing should be called into question versus doctors, lawyers, whomever you choose to name? *you *were the one who eluded to the mistaken notion that if a person spends more time educating/going to school, the likelihood he/she is in the right profession for the right reasons improves. i say you are wrong.
there is nothing wrong with pointing out flawed logic. further, i am not the one turning this into an education debate. i am challenging your logic, as you put it out.
you do not need to refer me to the op; you are the one "steering" the topic with each post you make. i am simply addressing the posts you do make here---as you make them. there is nothing wrong with that.
and i would like an answer. why not poll doctors and lawyers (since you mentioned them) to ascertain their sense of altruism versus making a living? i think it only fair. lord knows, there is plenty of pro bono work for lawyers, if they are inclined. and there are many in need of doctors who have no means whatsoever to repay the services they provide. why don't they all do that? is it up to me to judge them? i don't think so.....
and if you are going to get into doing research, please make sure you do it the right way.
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I dunno tweety, ----I surely mean no one disrespect. I guess I am realllly sick of that old, tired argument. No new ideas are ever being expressed -----and each "side" either insults or chooses to feel insulted no matter how politely or well-stated the posts may be. It's getting realllly old, dont' you think?
I dunno tweety, I guess I am realllly sick of that old, tired argument. No new ideas are ever being expressed and each "side" either insults or chooses to feel insulted no matter how politely or well-stated the posts may be. It's getting realllly old, dont' you think?
I do and I removed that post. Boy you are quick!
I think as newbies continue to join, we're just going to have to deal with it however. :)
Really illogical and unscientific. That's a similar mentality as racial stereotyping...
Tweety, BSN, RN
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I disagree.
I agree that might be the result in some cases. I feel put down by arrogant BSN nurses who think they are superior.
I don't feel put down by intelligent discussion advocating a BSN nurse is the better idea. That the ANA and certain acedemic universities are advocating BSN as the entry level, doesn't put me down at all. I have no issue with my education and my qualifications as an ADN nurse, and my role in health care.
ADN nurses shouldn't be put down by the movement. Nor should BSN advocates feel the need to be silenced because some have issues with feeling put down.
Am I making sense at all? :rotfl:
and off we go.........................