Today, there is an article posted on how 22,000 nurses are taking a stand against mandatory vaccination. These nurses are willing to lose their jobs to stand up for their Pro-choice rights. I have included the link below so you can read the article for yourself. Learn more about NAMV (Nurses Against Mandatory Vaccines)
NAMV was founded when mandatory vaccines were introduced in the workplace, and though it is not pro-vaccine OR anti-vaccine, it is certainly pro-CHOICE. NAMV members believe that all people should have the right to choose and refuse medical treatment, including nurses and healthcare workers.
I agree we all have a right. I would simply love to see the proof that unvaccinated nurses are the cause of sickness and death to any resident it simply is a lie just like most of the so called education these who want to push this on is, there is simply no scientific fact that the flu shot keeps you from the flu or keeps others from getting it no evidence at all anywhere!
Yes, of course it can - and if we look back on our history - what else was going on in 1918 besides large amounts of influenza? Well, many doctors believe that the flu wasn't exactly what caused so many deaths, but more likely the treatment of the flu. They were using aspirin. The government told people to use aspirin as "flu therapy" and people were taking it in extremely large doses. Bayer's aspirin was very new, and in October of 1918, bayer lost full rights, and it cheap aspirin was able to be made and sold everywhere in the world, which still coincides with the pandemic, and there was not really a set prescribed amount. The Journal of American Medical Association to people to take 1000mg every three hours. We now know that this amount of aspirin can cause fluid build-up in the lungs, which just might look kind of like pneumonia attributed to influenza. However, even doctors at the time fully admitted after autopsies that these people did not have pnemonia. Aspirin also causes Reyes Syndome - and this was not known at the time, which is usually experienced as "flu like symptoms". So how many children died because they had Reyes from taking high amounts of aspirin when they had influenza? We don't really know. How many people actually had Reyes, and not the flu? We don't really know.
Also, they have done research on this pandemic, and people with WEAK immune systems were those that were far better off in this outbreak because this virus caused a cytokine storm. Those with strong immune systems had a very strong immune response, which caused them to become more sick. So really, we can't even compare this flu pandemic to our "normal" flu shot strains of influenza because it is not a typical influenza.
Well, requiring a driver to have a license, speed limits, laws against driving under the influence of alcohol/drugs, seat belts, engineering of vehicles and roads all help promote a safe traffic environment. But I agree, there is room for improvement. (Probably not in the form of a vaccine though :))
Exactly, right - we do have requirements for safety, but everyone does not have to drive. People can walk, or ride bikes to work or school, and keep themselves safe in other ways. They aren't required to drive, and thus have a license. They can be save traveling in other ways, too. Nurse's should be able to "travel" safely too - in other words, they should be able to work in a hospital, or wherever they choose, and follow health guidelines like eating healthy, and exercising. If driving is likened to nursing, and drivers need to know and utilize safety precautions, then nurses can also know and utilize safety precautions. But the flu vaccine is a very, very weak safety precaution. There are many other valuable safety precautions that can be taken to prevent the flu. There have been quite a few studies that show that maintaining a proper body level of vitamin D is much stronger drug therapy than the flu vaccine. Here is just one:
Drugs do not need to be everyone's answer to illness. There are other ways to prevent illness and maintain health besides pharmaceuticals. Just because we're nurses (and I am not, yet, just for full disclosure, but I fully plan to be) does not mean we need to take drugs if we choose not to.
Someone here said that he or she knew of nurses (plural) who turned in false documentation to their employers. The papers said they had been vaccinated and it was all false (fraud?).
If your only choices are give up your income or your right to bodily autonomy and your back is against the wall, that is a brilliant idea.
And if this begins to become widespread practice, the facilities will begin to require the employees to receive their vaccine at employee health.
And pay to vaccinate all those nurses? Doubtful.They only care about their paperwork being in order in case of a lawsuit. They don't actually care about nurses or patient safety.
Pro-choose this: you may not endanger the very lives you are paid to have in your care. If that's your 'choice' (as if it were the same as having fries with your burger or not) don't come near patients.
And btw..." Pro-Choice" is a slogan that is inexorably connected with the abortion movement and has been for decades. That it is used here introduces not a slight irony.
And pay to vaccinate all those nurses? Doubtful.They only care about their paperwork being in order in case of a lawsuit. They don't actually care about nurses or patient safety.
Every facility I've worked for has offered free flu vaccines to staff. I'm PRN, and my endo facility offers it for free even for me. Apparently that's not the case everywhere.
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And pay to vaccinate all those nurses? Doubtful.They only care about their paperwork being in order in case of a lawsuit. They don't actually care about nurses or patient safety.
My facility provides the flu vaccine to all employees free of charge. Swipe your badge on their little handheld reader, get the shot, and bam! documentation complete and verified.
I agree we all have a right. I would simply love to see the proof that unvaccinated nurses are the cause of sickness and death to any resident it simply is a lie just like most of the so called education these who want to push this on is, there is simply no scientific fact that the flu shot keeps you from the flu or keeps others from getting it no evidence at all anywhere!
It's just common sense, actually.
If you get a strain of flu that could have been prevented by the vaccine, walk into 20 rooms, and sneeze, those 20 people are a lot more likely to get the flu than if you didn't have the flu in the first place. I don't see what people have a hard time understanding about this.
I found articles, but unfortunately I'm not qualified to access them. Here is one of them, just in case you are.
And pay to vaccinate all those nurses? Doubtful.They only care about their paperwork being in order in case of a lawsuit. They don't actually care about nurses or patient safety.
I don't know what kind of shady places you've worked for, but I've never once paid for a flu shot. I've always gotten them for free from my employer.
My facility provides the flu vaccine to all employees free of charge. Swipe your badge on their little handheld reader, get the shot, and bam! documentation complete and verified.
Mine does too, as well as the Hep B vaccine.
We are all required to get a TB skin test or chest xray before starting work in a medical facility. At least, everyone I've ever worked at has required it. We're also required to have all of our vaccinations up to date. These vaccinations are for highly contagious diseases that are easily prevented through those vaccinations, and as a nurse working with a population susceptible to further sicknesses, I feel it would be ethically wrong to knowingly put those patient's health at risk for my own personal opinions on vaccines. The fact is is that many of these horrible, deadly diseases have been eradicated by vaccines, and as more and more people refuse to vaccinate not only themselves but their children, we are seeing documented rises in the number of cases. The measles for example, is now rising in frequency in children who have not been vaccinated.
While I agree that we all have a choice to choose our own medical care at our own discretion, as a nurse you revoke your privileges to choose healthcare that is risky to your patients. Sorry, but that's the way it is. When you work as a nurse, you leave your personal opinions about medicine behind, and do what has been proven to be effective, or is best for your patients. If you truly want to have the freedom to choose not to be vaccinated, you should absolutely not be allowed to work near a vulnerable population.
Nobody is forcing anyone to get a vaccine. And personally, if I knew my nurse hadn't had all their vaccines up to date, I would ask for another nurse as well. And I AM one.
How would people respond if the article said instead, "22,000 Nurses Refuse to Wash Hands".
Or how about, "22,000 Nurses Protest the Mandatory Use of Isolation Gear"
May I remind those of you about to start criticizing me for my tyrannical opinion, that we all took an oath, or were supposed to at graduation of nursing school. Let me refresh your memory:
I solemnly pledge myself before God and in the presence of this assembly, to pass my life in purity and to practice my profession faithfully.I will abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous, and will not take or knowingly administer any harmful drug. I will do all in my power to maintain and elevate the standard of my profession, and will hold in confidence all personal matters committed to my keeping and all family affairs coming to my knowledge in the practice of my calling. With loyalty will I endeavor to aid the physician in his work, and devote myself to the welfare of those committed to my care.
You put your patients welfare as first priority. Especially when being vaccinated is not detrimental to your own.
I am Dx'd SLE, and I make autoantibodies in response to flu vaccinations. I had to get a MD note excusing me from the mandatory policy, or take an inservice training course to educate me in the error of my ways. I work from home with no patient contact. I think this policy is unfair and unjust: I am an adult, if I don't want a vaccination - for whatever reason - I feel I should be free to say "no". I find it interesting to note that many of my colleagues whom received the flu have still became ill with the flu.
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I agree we all have a right. I would simply love to see the proof that unvaccinated nurses are the cause of sickness and death to any resident it simply is a lie just like most of the so called education these who want to push this on is, there is simply no scientific fact that the flu shot keeps you from the flu or keeps others from getting it no evidence at all anywhere!