Nurses are Fleeing the Hospital

Nurses have simply had enough and are walking out of acute care. How far will it go? Have we seen the peak yet? Nurses General Nursing Article

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Here are some conversations that are taking place at hospitals everywhere across the country. Do they sound familiar?

"Did you hear Kim is leaving?”

"Kim !?? Kim in Step down?? Nooo! You don't mean Kim! She's been here forever!”

"Ya! and I hear 2 more step down nurses turned in their notice.”

Nurses left behind while their colleagues and friends grieve the loss. Years, decades, even, of experience walk out the door, leaving those behind to pick up the slack and cope with working with an inexperienced workforce.

Later on at the same hospital, at the evening command center safety huddle, it's reported that 28 nurses are out on leave.

The educators in Staff Development are informed that 26 travelers are coming on Tuesday of this week, and must be onboarded. 

Where are all the nurses going? 

My sister works in a hospital across the country from me and nurses are running out of her hospital as well. "Where are they going?", I ask. "Anywhere", she says. "Just out of here.”

Tipping Point

It's one thing to work hard and pull together for a national emergency. It's another to work hard with no end in sight and to not feel valued. 

COVID was the tipping point. COVID took a stressed-out, unappreciated workforce and pushed it over the edge. Exhaustion coupled with unappreciation equals nurses talking with their feet.

Conversations continue.

"I saw the MedSurg manager taking care of patients this morning!.”

"Seriously, did she even have Pyxis access? She hasn't worked bedside in 8 years! How come the charge nurse isn't taking patients instead?"

"She is! She's charge and has a full load.”

Anger

The boilerpot situation breeds deep frustration and anger...and anger wants a target. Staff who have worked at their hospital day in and day out, month after month, year after year, are orienting travelers making twice as much pay. Meanwhile, staff nurses' phones are blowing up with requests begging them to stay later, come in earlier, and work on their days off.

Nurses are angry at managers and Directors who are seen as out of touch and insensitive. Administration blames managers if their staff leave. "We all know employees leave or stay because of their managers.” Ironically administration rarely asks nurses themselves what it would take for them to stay. 

Brenda, an NP who loves ED medicine, is quitting and going to work in a plastics office because she can no longer tolerate the chaos.

When COVID resurged with the Delta Variant, and the ED staff was stocking tents erected in the parking lot in 108 degree weather, she texted her manager to see about getting some flats of chilled bottled water for the staff.  Her manager texted back she was out getting body work done on her car. 

Nurses are angry when work gets shifted to them from other departments. An out-of-ratio ICU RN caring for 3 ICU level patients with one patient alone on 4 different antibiotics went to the Pyxis only to discover that suddenly this morning, she has to mix and label her own antibiotics. She calls Pharmacy and is told, "It's because we're short-staffed".

Nurses are angry at patients who brought this on themselves. Nurses put their lives on the line once for over a year, but many aren't willing to do it again for people who could have been vaccinated but chose not to.

Lack of Trust

Signs on patient doors say PAPR required for aerosol inducing procedures...what..? We aren't routinely given PAPRs, just N95s! Is the sign wrong? Or is the practice wrong? Are we at risk? Why can't we trust the information we're given?

Nurses are practicing in chaos with conflicting directions and changing guidelines. Discovering that they weren't protected after all. There's distrust in government agencies and hospital administrations. 

Leaving Begets Leaving

"I heard 3 nurses turned in their notice on 7SE.”

"Wow. Maybe I'll quit, too.”Leaving is contagious. It starts as a trickle and ends up a flood. I'm not at all sure it's possible to stop it midstream, but could it have been prevented?

What do you think? Why are nurses quitting?

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16 minutes ago, Hoosier_RN said:

I agree and I think it's crappy, but as an adult, everyone should educate themselves about this. I use the "good neighbor" insurance company. My agent knows that I'm a nurse and about every 6 months or so, asks if I'm doing any home health/hospice and even travel work, and reminds me to let him know if it changes. Yes, I found out the hard way in the 90s...

Frankly, I had no idea that it matters. When I insured my car,  I answered and checked the box appropriately. I was new in the country. I measured the distance.  I called an agent explaining I had no idea how often I will go out after work and school, so I don't know the exact miles to input. She still gave me the best rate. 

 

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Just now, Honyebee said:

Frankly, I had no idea that it matters. When I insured my car,  I answered and checked the box appropriately. I was new in the country. I measured the distance.  I called an agent explaining I had no idea how often I will go out after work and school, so I don't know the exact miles to input. She still gave me the best rate. 

 

It wasn't based on mileage, it's on the basis that you are using the vehicle for business. Business rates are different. If your agent doesn't set you up on business rate, or have a clause in your policy, the company reserves the right to not pay any claims, should you file one. That's pretty general across the board

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On 9/4/2021 at 9:34 PM, Kooky Korky said:

You might want to check with the state or federal Dept. of Labor re: overtime that I'll bet you were supposed to get but didn't.  Even if you no longer work there.

As far as your salary, that is on you for not talking about it before you were hired.  As for vacation and cost of insurance - again, on you.  Nothing says you can't change it now, though.  All of these things should be in writing, like a contract.

Best wishes.

Well yes it’s my fault, but again, I was sort of newish to home health shift work. Once I got to talking to other nurses who did it, that’s when I found out raises are just not a thing in Pdn.

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On 9/3/2021 at 4:32 PM, brandy1017 said:

I already knew home health was not a good field from coworkers who had done it.  One older nurse got a hospital job in order to afford retirement with a pension and she worked till 65 and at the end she was literally crying from the stress frequently and this was before computer charting, computer med pass and putting Dr orders in.  There was no way a lot of the nurses that retired could have handled it with the added hassle of computer charting/med pass that made everything harder and longer. 

Also long unpaid hours is common in home health.  Another coworker quit after she was fed up with the long hours, on call, while another coworker has switched jobs probably six times going from agency to agency trying to find a good job!  I'm shocked that you worked 12 years without a raise.  Nurses really have to stand up for ourselves and be ready and willing to walk for better pay and working conditions!  I hope you at least found a better job with a substantial raise when you finally quit.

The kicker that you have to use your own car and that the mileage does not really compensate you for the premature demise of a car that costs close to $30,000 and up!  No thank you.

It’s always a catch. Always.
The new job pays $9 more per hour than the last job. It’s a catholic hospital. Seems perfect…..except they have the highest HDHP I ever saw in my career. I also have to pay for my own birth control to keep my uterine fibroids from growing.

The deductible is $7000 per year for an individual and $8,000 for a family. I only plan to stay for 6 months. I can’t really afford that. I just needed this job to get used to working the floors again. 

 

 

 

46 minutes ago, Runsoncoffee99 said:

It’s always a catch. Always.
The new job pays $9 more per hour than the last job. It’s a catholic hospital. Seems perfect…..except they have the highest HDHP I ever saw in my career. I also have to pay for my own birth control to keep my uterine fibroids from growing.

The deductible is $7000 per year for an individual and $8,000 for a family. I only plan to stay for 6 months. I can’t really afford that. I just needed this job to get used to working the floors again. 

 

 

 

I'm probably going to catch flak for saying this, but I've worked for two larger Catholic health system conglomerates and vowed to never work for another.  I found both hospitals to be absolute bottom rung in terms of pay/benefits, equipment, and staffing.   Units that were so old that they were dangerously unsafe and equipment that was circa 1981.  

 

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2 hours ago, Runsoncoffee99 said:

It’s always a catch. Always.
The new job pays $9 more per hour than the last job. It’s a catholic hospital. Seems perfect…..except they have the highest HDHP I ever saw in my career. I also have to pay for my own birth control to keep my uterine fibroids from growing.

The deductible is $7000 per year for an individual and $8,000 for a family. I only plan to stay for 6 months. I can’t really afford that. I just needed this job to get used to working the floors again. 

 

 

 

Yes, what's up with health care having the worst health insurance for their employees?  That was also a consideration for me when I quit my old job. The insurance there was just over $500.00/month premiums taken out of my check for so-so coverage for just my husband and myself.  Plus the deductible was $6000 individual with a high out of pocket maximum, I want to say it was $19000.  I also know from talking to other staff that had the insurance that they were extremely slow at paying out claims with medical bills often going to collections before the insurance paid.

The insurance at the job I took after leaving there is much better. Literally less than half the cost with way better coverage. Sadly my husband has had some significant health issues this year and there's been zero issues with the insurance policy paying so that has taken a lot of the stress out of the situation without having to fight with the insurance carrier on top of worrying about my husband. 

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5 hours ago, Runsoncoffee99 said:

It’s always a catch. Always.
The new job pays $9 more per hour than the last job. It’s a catholic hospital. Seems perfect…..except they have the highest HDHP I ever saw in my career. I also have to pay for my own birth control to keep my uterine fibroids from growing.

The deductible is $7000 per year for an individual and $8,000 for a family. I only plan to stay for 6 months. I can’t really afford that. I just needed this job to get used to working the floors again. 

 

 

 

Wow!  That is even higher than my deductible from the affordable care insurance.  Where I used to work they raised the deductible $1,000 during the pandemic to $3,000 for single and family was usually twice as much and I thought that was disgusting.  But I never heard of such an obscene deductible for employer sponsored health insurance as you have! 

Could it be Mercy healthcare by chance?  I say that as my mom stayed at a nursing home taken over by Mercy and I had to pull her out as they only had one CNA for 40 patients on nights!  They changed her twice in 12 hours and she was frequently calling me in tears and I'd call them in turn as visitors were not allowed so I couldn't be there.  Before the takeover it had been OK.  Now they were running out of supplies like depends and mattress pads.  She was transferred on Saturday from the hospital for rehab and I took her home on Monday. 

I feel sad for the rest of the residents who have no one to help them.  I actually saw a couple video's on Youtube of elderly women desperately calling their local news begging for help for just these issues at different nursing homes in the country.  One of the women was then being sedated for speaking out to the state and she was refusing to take the pill.  She had a local news reporter analyze the drink she was given and a pill she refused and it was depakote.  They were literally trying to drug her to keep her from speaking out!  I never would have thought of calling the local news, but that was a brilliant idea. 

Just this past week or so a brave healthcare worker actually went to the news about the terrible conditions of over 800 residents who were kept in a warehouse during Hurricane Ida and they lost generator power and didn't have enough working toilets.  It reminded me of the terrible conditions patients found themselves in during Hurricane Katrina.  The state finally evacuated the residents and is closing all seven nursing homes and there have been seven deaths so far!  Yet the state was aware of the condition for days and didn't act immediately!

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/03/us/louisiana-nursing-home-deaths.html

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19 hours ago, Hoosier_RN said:

It wasn't based on mileage, it's on the basis that you are using the vehicle for business. Business rates are different. If your agent doesn't set you up on business rate, or have a clause in your policy, the company reserves the right to not pay any claims, should you file one. That's pretty general across the board

I see. I got it now completely.  I checked, too. Thank you. 

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15 hours ago, morelostthanfound said:

  Runsoncoffee99 said

It’s always a catch. Always.
The new job pays $9 more per hour than the last job. It’s a catholic hospital. Seems perfect…..except they have the highest HDHP I ever saw in my career. I also have to pay for my own birth control to keep my uterine fibroids from growing.

The deductible is $7000 per year for an individual and $8,000 for a family. I only plan to stay for 6 months. I can’t really afford that. I just needed this job to get used to working the floors again.

 

I had a thought re the insurance and birth control.  I believe it is mandatory to be covered and the govt created a plan that while the Catholic employer wouldn't provide birth control, the third party insurance administrator of the plan is supposed to provide it and possibly even free.  I remember receiving a separate letter from the insurance company telling us about our rights for birth control coverage.  So I would check back with your insurance company provider/administrator as you may find it doesn't have to be out of pocket or at least not as much.  If they tell you that it's not covered, I would contact the Dept of Labor as I believe they have to offer the birth control coverage via their third party health insurance administrator.  It was a compromise for Catholic employers that have ethical reservations to birth control and the federal govt laws requiring women have access to birth control. 

I've had to contact the DOL a couple times over unpaid medical bills.  They have several regional offices and there is  an 800 number.  The DOL rep got back with me right away and the problems always got fixed and the insurance administrator eventually would pay the claims.  They could drag their feet about it, but the DOL was persistent and would check back with me and speak with them until the issue was resolved correctly.

In the meantime check out goodrx, you can get significant discounts on meds, and it shows the cost at different stores as well.  There are a few different versions, the free one, the gold option and Kroger goodrx.   I use the Kroger version, though have found the free version can occasionally be cheaper such as for an epi pen $140 vs $300! 

Hope this helps.

 

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2 hours ago, brandy1017 said:

I had a thought re the insurance and birth control.  I believe it is mandatory to be covered and the govt created a plan that while the Catholic employer wouldn't provide birth control, the third party insurance administrator of the plan is supposed to provide it and possibly even free.  I remember receiving a separate letter from the insurance company telling us about our rights for birth control coverage.  So I would check back with your insurance company provider/administrator as you may find it doesn't have to be out of pocket or at least not as much.  If they tell you that it's not covered, I would contact the Dept of Labor as I believe they have to offer the birth control coverage via their third party health insurance administrator.  It was a compromise for Catholic employers that have ethical reservations to birth control and the federal govt laws requiring women have access to birth control. 

I've had to contact the DOL a couple times over unpaid medical bills.  They have several regional offices and there is  an 800 number.  The DOL rep got back with me right away and the problems always got fixed and the insurance administrator eventually would pay the claims.  They could drag their feet about it, but the DOL was persistent and would check back with me and speak with them until the issue was resolved correctly.

In the meantime check out goodrx, you can get significant discounts on meds, and it shows the cost at different stores as well.  There are a few different versions, the free one, the gold option and Kroger goodrx.   I use the Kroger version, though have found the free version can occasionally be cheaper such as for an epi pen $140 vs $300! 

Hope this helps.

 

Thanks a lot, I will definitely check it out.

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9 hours ago, brandy1017 said:

I had a thought re the insurance and birth control.  I believe it is mandatory to be covered and the govt created a plan that while the Catholic employer wouldn't provide birth control, the third party insurance administrator of the plan is supposed to provide it and possibly even free.  I remember receiving a separate letter from the insurance company telling us about our rights for birth control coverage.  So I would check back with your insurance company provider/administrator as you may find it doesn't have to be out of pocket or at least not as much.  If they tell you that it's not covered, I would contact the Dept of Labor as I believe they have to offer the birth control coverage via their third party health insurance administrator.  It was a compromise for Catholic employers that have ethical reservations to birth control and the federal govt laws requiring women have access to birth control. 

I've had to contact the DOL a couple times over unpaid medical bills.  They have several regional offices and there is  an 800 number.  The DOL rep got back with me right away and the problems always got fixed and the insurance administrator eventually would pay the claims.  They could drag their feet about it, but the DOL was persistent and would check back with me and speak with them until the issue was resolved correctly.

In the meantime check out goodrx, you can get significant discounts on meds, and it shows the cost at different stores as well.  There are a few different versions, the free one, the gold option and Kroger goodrx.   I use the Kroger version, though have found the free version can occasionally be cheaper such as for an epi pen $140 vs $300! 

Hope this helps.

 

Great tips and thank you for that. My problem with our current system is tips like this shouldn't be necessary. 

We work in the Health care field for God's sake. We shouldn't ever be put in the position of calling the DOL to push to get a medical claim paid. We shouldn't have to scour medication discount apps to get the best deal.  We should never have to price compare for prescription meds because those discounted prices are often way less than the price our insurer's pay. 

We shouldn't have to pay astronomical premiums for health care that honestly many of us don't fully utilize because barring a catastrophic event we'll never meet the sky high deductibles. 

Right now I do have what I consider decent insurance however my daughter who works at a bank has better insurance coverage with a lower premium and  deductible than I pay. 

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On 9/2/2021 at 8:08 PM, SunDazed said:

Ditto, though my previous field was a bit like being trapped in an all boys  high school (I was a female in a male dominated industry). I still believe that the guys were much less likely to take each other's work habits, styles, or preferences as a personal insult to their own habits, styles, or preferences. It was a licensed profession too, with heavy responsibility and accountability. 

There was more leeway to have a bad day and just get to it. As long as you did the work part right of course. It was not like they didn't notice, they just didn't seem compelled to comment on it or gang up against it. 

During the pandemic I had this bizarre period of time where I thought if I completed an online MSN program (not the NP concentration) that maybe I could help bring about a better workplace. @Retriever5280 I quit the program in 4 months. The papers they wanted me to produce to meet standard were pure fantasy. Nursing school is bound up in maintaining the "we are the moral, conscience" of healthcare. Well maybe... but I can see why the MBAs are getting in the hospital and not the MSNs. 

 

Yes I agree. A lot of nursing research is pie in the sky stuff. They dream up all these topics and the results are rarely implemented.  I doubt if the research is read outside of the nursing profession.  Doctors don't seem to reference it regarding patient care.  I worked in pharmaceutical clinical research where patient centered research protocols were prepared.  Nursing research was never referenced as far as standard of patient care.  

 I also think the Leadership MSN is a waste of time.  You can see there is no real local or national leadership in Nursing or we would not be in this sad predicament. Leaders are in the pocket of Administration if they want to keep their job.

 An AD nurse is just as well trained as a BSN nurse.    The BSN in particular has been degraded to a "Get your BSN" in 1 year!" Why the downgrade in required credits? Why is it so expensive?  Nurses required to get BSNs are an easy source of revenue for online universities.

How come I am not qualified to get a job in ICU/ER but I can be floated there?  Answer: A nurse is a nurse, a warm body, and she will do as administration says or else get fired without reference!

Finally, those nurses who are martyrs talking about "a calling" and "we work short, you don't care about the patients if you don't do it , you signed up for this"-- these are the ones hospitals depend on to take advantage of with short staffing and low pay! 

I feel sorry for the new grads who are horrified when reality sets in. They see what they can look forward to if they continue in Med/Surg.  I've seen 3 leave this year.