Why so closed minded? WHY? - page 2
Worked with a male nurse the other night. This nurse is agency and has worked at our facility for some time. He always gives good pt care and is helpful to the aides and other nurses. As I took V.S.... Read More
Jul 26, '02Occupation: Associate Case Manager Specialty: 11 year(s) of experience in Hospice/Homehealth/Homecare ; Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 144; Likes: 37Here's a new spin. I work in a PCP office and our male DOCS are having trouble getting new patients because 85% of the female patients are refusing male docs. They don't mind male surgeons or specialist, but for primary care they want women. Our male medical student is even having a tough time with just interviewing the patients because they don't want to even TALK to a man.
Back to the subject at hand, I have worked with the best male nurses in many different settings and have found that many times, if the patients get to know a nurse , they will eventually allow that nurse to take care of them. I know this is especially hard with agency nurses. I have had patients refuse any agency nurses (not just the men) because they don't know them and are not good with changes. Let's face it, when these people grew up, a nurse was a woman and a doctor was a man. It may take a while for this attitude to change.
Jul 26, '02Joined: Oct '00; Posts: 452; Likes: 628I'm a male and a nurse and I have had both men and requests that I not care for them for the aforementioned reasons. I don't take it personally, though some of my coworkers feel a great need to protect me.
I now work in an ICU and about 15% of our staff of 100 is male. Pt's just don't have a choice. I would imagine that a Muslim woman would be accomodated (I would support the patient and insist).
I love the stereotype of the male nurse as gay. I live in San Francisco and of the approx. 15 men who are nurses, only 3 or 4 of us are gay. And this is San Francisco for crying out loud! By far, I have found most male nurses to be of the heterosexual variety.Last edit by ANnot4me on Jul 26, '02
Jul 26, '02Occupation: student with two crappy part time jobs Joined: Jul '02; Posts: 244; Likes: 1When I took my nurses's aid class we had a clinical in a nursing home. My partner ORDERED me to just stay back when we were doing anything with our patient because she felt I had no business even touching a female resident. I had a new partner very soon hehe. Funny that the patient didn't mind at all. Saw my ex-partner retaking the class last quarter *snicker*.
Jul 26, '02Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 38,750; Likes: 16,271Oh yes, Las Vegas, your point is very well-taken and I am sorry you ever have to endure this, especially in this so-called "enlightened" age!
Jul 26, '02Occupation: RN Case Manager Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 4,945; Likes: 27Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes
Oh yes, Las Vegas, your point is very well-taken and I am sorry you ever have to endure this, especially in this so-called "enlightened" age!
For each one of these kind of patients, there are 100 that will appreciate what you do. :angel2:
Jul 26, '02Occupation: a just a nurse contemplating the nature of my career..... Joined: Oct '01; Posts: 2,344; Likes: 21I like working with people/other nurses and health care professionals that take their jobs seriously, the patient being #1 and being part of a team. RESPECT! .=.
and also know humor is cool'.....like chill' hehe haha :-)
Jul 26, '02Occupation: neonatal nurse Joined: May '01; Posts: 140; Likes: 5well I think some of the attitude is because some of the general public have trouble seeing men in "caring" roles and assume that there must be something wrong with them.
Personally all the male nurses I have come accross since I starter my training 13 years ago have been some of the very best. I believe that any man who makes that choice and leaves sterio types behind has something that makes him good at what he does. Us women on the other hand can fall into the job and just because we are female it does not make us compationate or good at what we do.
I have a male GP and always have wouldn't have anything else I have had to see a female GP a few times one didn't believe I was ill until she saw me (I had a temp of 40.6C ) quite apart from the fact I could hardly stand, I left a large person shaped damp patch on the bed and my glasses kept steaming up. both male GP's in the practice are excelantLast edit by karenelizabeth on Jul 26, '02
Jul 26, '02Occupation: Enterprise Application Systems Analyst Specialty: 27 year(s) of experience in Everything except surgery ; Joined: Mar '01; Posts: 5,601; Likes: 174For the first time I have had the pleasure of working with just as many males on shift as females. And I like it! I have only had one pt., who refused to allow a male CNA to take her to the bathroom. She was an very small framed, elderly hispanic lady, and he is a very tall, good looking hunk.:chuckle....so I can understand her feelings in a way. But for the most part....I see males who are caregivers as just that...caregivers...no matter if they're female, or male.
I personally, am very glad more men are joining the nursing ranks! I think this is something the public will need to just get used to. With the number of males on staff at the hospital where I am...there is a good chance of there being more men, than females scheduled. So if they want to be taken care of in a timely fashion...they're going to have to deal with whatever problems they have with males taking care of them. Because they may not have much of a choice. I say the more the merrier..!
Jul 26, '02Joined: Jul '02; Posts: 134; Likes: 3As a male entering the biz, I ignore the patients' beliefs that I'm either gay or not smart enought to be a doctor.
But the abuse issue is a problem. In the current environment of litigation and abuse charges, I don't want to be caught in the middle of a patient spouting charges and a hospital administration anxious to investigate "just to be safe."
Bad career karma: being interviewed by law enforcement after an 80-year-old woman accuses you of touching her improperly during a bath. Geez, I'd quit and become a Catholic priest where they get away with the REAL thing!
Jul 26, '02Occupation: PCU/TELE Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 489; Likes: 13I try to be sensitive to religous,cultural, generational issues while nursing and have on a few occasions reassigned a pt. BUT if the only reason for the pt. to refuse care from a spacific nurse is race/gender/religion discrimination I will not adjust the assignment. I just tell the pt. that So and So is a highly trained professional and I am sure they will be well cared for and that So and So was assigned to their care based on his/her experience in nursing in general and their particular diagnosis. I don't allow for time to respond. I do go back and check with the patient after care has been delivered and have received responses all the way from "You where right, So and So is a great nurse." to "You'll be hearing from my lawyer." The only time I will reasign is if the NURSE him/her slef have concerns over his/her ability to care for the patient based on the current environment OR if the nurse and I are afraid of the lenghts the pt. will go to to get his/her way. Sometimes it's just easier to step around the pile than clean it up
Jul 26, '02Occupation: RN Case Manager Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 4,945; Likes: 27Originally posted by canoehead
LasVegas- his loss IMHO.
RNConnieF - great post, I agree 100%!
Jul 26, '02Occupation: registered nurse Joined: Nov '01; Posts: 1,083; Likes: 14I always let the patient decide if i can be their nurse, if they want an escourt with me etc. never had a problem never had one request an escourt. but i have been requested by many of my patients and their friends when they return to hospital after i care for them one time. i have even had patients ask everyone leave the room except me. i have no problem with any of this.
as far as the homosexual thing, i have had 2 patients refuse my care for that reason, on one occassion i got to talk to the person more and explained i am not gay and am actually married with 3 children he was shocked he thought all male nurses were gay. i was his nurse the next day and we got a long fine. sometimes it just requires education.
on the abuse issue sometimes it can be a problem, but i have experienced just the opposite. i had a patient once that was yelling screaming and hitting her nurses while see was in labor. her nurses became frustrated so i took over her care no one knew her past abuse history. well we got along great after she delivered they request i be her post partum nurse. when the were discharged the family told me that she got pregnant as a result of rape . and that since then i was the only male she allowed near her besides her father. this is one statement from them i will always remember" you are one great nurse and a wonderful man, she saw you as her angel from the moment you entered the room and talked to her, for this we will forever be gratful to you" needless to say it made me cry especially when she came up to me and huggged me. she had come back to the hospital on several occassionstoshaow me the baby, she also told me that if it were not for me she would not be here today. so you see the abuse thing is not neccessarily an issue but i let them choose.
i totally agree with smiling blue eyes that this gender issue is riduculous and should not even be a point of contention or misconception by other nurses and medical professionals they should realize we are professionals also and gender does not matter. the general public you can kind of explain a lot of them do not know exactly what nurses do or go through, bur again education is the key!