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Hey guys!!
I was reading a few threads on 'customer service' running amok, and wanted to share how things owrk at my current clinic. I swear, if all places would impart these rules/guidelines, the world of nursing would be so much better to work in.
First, I work in a general medicine clinic. My collaborating doc is well known for treating pain, but we are NOT a pain clinic. The patients get schooled on this at the first office visit, if not before. My OM, (the doc's daughter) is a gem, she is PHENOMENAL! She (well, all of us, really) has a zero-tolerance policy for bull, and once you're on her list, you're on it.
*We don't tolerate abuse. Period. If you come in and raise sand, you're out. Dismissed from the practice as a patient. If you have a friend or family member come in and raise sand for you, you're still out. If you bring a friend to your office visit, and that friend steals someone's wallet in the waiting room, you're still out. You brought them.
*We talk to each other. Actually had one lady tell me when I was new that the doc always gave her extra meds "in case she had a bad day". When I baked and said I'd have to verify that, she proceeded to tell me that our MA knew how to call them in, and no, he didn't write down the extra pills, just added them in when the script was called to the pharmacy. So, staff-splitting does NOT work.
*Behavior really does count. We have a 200-person strong waiting list to be a patient here. I databased it myself, from a tattered little book. Every time someone calls or comes by to ask where they are on the list, I can tell with a click of a mouse. People who come in and flip an attitude or demand to be seen immediately either get bumped to the bottom of the list, or taken off of it altogether. Posted a story relating to THAT on my other thread about things you'd love to tell patients. We even drew up a memo detailing the rules, that we hand out when someone comes by to add their name. For the ones that phone their order in, I call personally and explain the details.
* We keep records. Since we do prescribe controlled substances, if we hear or see that a patient has been arrested for DUI, selling, possession, or other offenses, we dismiss. If we get a call that someone is selling, we dismiss. If someone fails a drug screen, we dismiss. We have a closet full of dismissed charts, all carefully organized and databased (I love my computer) with names, reasons for dismissal, etc. You'd be amazed at what people will try to sneak back in. Different hair, different NAME, fit-throwing, wheedling, threats, etc. This souldn't be a surprise. All our patients are required to sign a behavior contract when they come to the clinic, that clearly states what comprises grounds for dismissal.
We have no doorknob leading from the lobby to the clinic proper. It was removed. We had people coming in without permission for 'sidewalk consults', demanding pain shots, and one lovely lady who proceeded to stand there, even though it was quite obvious that my OM was on the phone, shaking her pill bottle in her face and screaming, "WHERE are my %^&* refills?!?!?" Yep, bye-bye, sweetie!
We have a medication policy, as we call all prescriptions in. The meds are guaranteed by a certain time, period. No, you don't get an early call in without a darn good reason, and some people get REALLY creative. No problem, they get moved to the bottom of the pile. Every time they come back in (some of these people must LIVE at the pharmacy) wanting to know why they haven't gotten their meds yet, to the bottom they go. May sound mean, but they get the point after a while.
Point being, we just DO NOT reward bad behavior. There's no sense in it. Sure, we may lose a patient here and there that doesn't want to comply with the rules, but there are dozens ready to fill their spot in the chart rack. We're not outright mean, we just refuse to take abuse lying down.
So, my question...if it works for us, why on Earth can hospitals and other places make it work, too? Set policies and adhere to them, that's really all it is. Why is this phenomenon so difficult to replicate? They sure don't care to policy the staff to death, so I know it's not that. Why not go in the other direction?
you're too much a softie, kook.:hug:...but dangerously so.
leslie
I only hope all of the staff, OP included, get to experience severe and chronic unrelieved or insufficiently relieved pain, and see how it feels to be put to the bottom of the stack, dismissed, and left to beg and plead and live in terror.
Doesn't sound like too much of a softie to me.
After the week I've had, your clinic sounds like a heavenly place to work. I just don't understand why people think it's okay to be mean, nasty, and ugly to the people that are trying to help them. It's not like I dragged them in off the street and forced them to come in. THEY CAME IN of their own volition, supposedly for help! The least they could do is just be polite. I don't expect butterflies and rainbows, just don't treat me like garbage.
I wish our docs would enforce the late arrival appts. People come in 45 minutes after their appointment time and they are still seen. Sorry but this is BS! I would never DREAM of coming 15 minutes late to an appt! Then they act irritated when you ask why they were late! If they would be told to turn around and go home the first time this happened, you can bet that there wouldn't be a second time!
I've never had a doctor's appointment that didn't start at least a hour after the scheduled time. If you call ahead and ask if they're running behind, the won't tell you. if you ask why they're running late, they get offended. If the MD's going to make me wait at least an hour for my appointment, why shouldn't I arrive 30 minutes late? And if I refuse to wait 1 hour past my scheduled time, don't even think of trying to charge me for a missed appointment. I was there; you weren't ready to see me.
We keep records. Since we do prescribe controlled substances, if we hear or see that a patient has been arrested for DUI, selling, possession, or other offenses, we dismiss. If we get a call that someone is selling, we dismiss.
I hope you verify before you dismiss. With over 200 patients on your waiting list, I wouldn't be surprised if people make false reports just to move up in line.
This whole post is just so awful! It really makes my tummy upset to see some of the comments.
I am really sorry that some of the nurses here have a rough time on the job, but sometimes it seems that a lot of posters think this a profession specific thing. All jobs are stressful, esp jobs dealing with the direct public. Everyone has different personalities and different opinions. "Outsiders" might not realize what it is they can do to make your job easier because they don't work your job, and it doesn't occur to them (before anyone says it, obviously i'm not talking about people that will just cuss and scream for no reason, everyone knows that is inappropriate). But things like calling late... WOW! just WOW! Other people have lives too. I work and go to school and volunteer AND i'm a single mom. I am lucky if I have time for lunch! I would LOVE LOVE LOVE an extra 15 mins in the middle of the day to call to make appts, fill scripts, etc etc... but it just isn't happening!
I am very happy that this situation works out for the place of employment of the OP. As stated, patients are not *forced* to go there. However, if this was the situation everywhere... where does that leave the patients that will get used, abused, tossed aside, and not treated because they "stepped outta line"?
I am on public insurance (yeah I know... I must be a drug seeking hooker...) so I can only go to specific places that will take it. Most of the clinics in my area are run by our local hospital. THEY ARE TERRIBLE!!! Everyone (except my lovely neurologist, I must say) overbooks and doesn't care that we have to take off an ENTIRE day to go to the doctor. I have literally sat in my OBGYN office for THREE HOURS just so I could get my BC refilled. Yeah, I know, I'm not supposed to get POd right... esp after simply asking the front desk how many more are before me and having her roll her eyes at me.
I would just like to add... as easy as it is for patients to choose where they go and how they act... you also have the choice to switch professions if you find that this one doesn't suit you.... just a thought.
For those expressing distress at the rules of the OPs practice ... how would you propose dealing with drug-seeking behaviors? Especially considering that enabling those behaviors just strengthens them as well as potentially placing the practitioners in a pretty serious legal situation.
It sucks that people with chronic pain should have to be subjected to those same rules ... but just how is the practitioner supposed to differentiate?
Would love to hear some ideas.
This whole post is just so awful! It really makes my tummy upset to see some of the comments.I am really sorry that some of the nurses here have a rough time on the job, but sometimes it seems that a lot of posters think this a profession specific thing. All jobs are stressful, esp jobs dealing with the direct public. Everyone has different personalities and different opinions. "Outsiders" might not realize what it is they can do to make your job easier because they don't work your job, and it doesn't occur to them (before anyone says it, obviously i'm not talking about people that will just cuss and scream for no reason, everyone knows that is inappropriate). But things like calling late... WOW! just WOW! Other people have lives too. I work and go to school and volunteer AND i'm a single mom. I am lucky if I have time for lunch! I would LOVE LOVE LOVE an extra 15 mins in the middle of the day to call to make appts, fill scripts, etc etc... but it just isn't happening!
I am very happy that this situation works out for the place of employment of the OP. As stated, patients are not *forced* to go there. However, if this was the situation everywhere... where does that leave the patients that will get used, abused, tossed aside, and not treated because they "stepped outta line"?
I am on public insurance (yeah I know... I must be a drug seeking hooker...) so I can only go to specific places that will take it. Most of the clinics in my area are run by our local hospital. THEY ARE TERRIBLE!!! Everyone (except my lovely neurologist, I must say) overbooks and doesn't care that we have to take off an ENTIRE day to go to the doctor. I have literally sat in my OBGYN office for THREE HOURS just so I could get my BC refilled. Yeah, I know, I'm not supposed to get POd right... esp after simply asking the front desk how many more are before me and having her roll her eyes at me.
I would just like to add... as easy as it is for patients to choose where they go and how they act... you also have the choice to switch professions if you find that this one doesn't suit you.... just a thought.
Come on now... I don't even know where to start.
Drug-seeking patients are pain. So is mistaken identity. One of my high school friends went through hell after the Oklahoma City bombing; she had the same last name as the bomber, but no relation. A college friend had the same name, with a different middle initial, of a man from the same county who was wanted for multiple DUIs.
If it's their policy to ban people who are arrested for selling, I hope they verify before they ban.
robby5313
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To the poster who asked what is wrong with calling in for a refill an hour before closing? You must not have ever worked in a clinic before! Most of the time you are struggling to get things done so you can close up and go home. When people call in at the last minute, then you are stuck staying later to tend to their needs. No, once in a while this is okay.....but this will happen on a daily basis in the clinic. We do not return phone calls if messages are left after 4:00 for a reason. Yes, if it is an emergency we will handle that of course, but people calling at 4:20 because their kid has been sick "all day" is ridiculous. I wish our docs would enforce the late arrival appts. People come in 45 minutes after their appointment time and they are still seen. Sorry but this is BS! I would never DREAM of coming 15 minutes late to an appt! Then they act irritated when you ask why they were late! If they would be told to turn around and go home the first time this happened, you can bet that there wouldn't be a second time! By allowing people to do inappropriate things once, you reinforce the behavior. I agree with ALL of the things your clinic is doing. I am sure that there are exceptions that are allowed on a minimal basis but it sounds like you just don't put up with BS. All of the thing that you dismiss people for are acts of disrespect and there is nothing wrong with that. And that is the way it should be!