Now, if ALL places were run like this...tell me what you think!

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Hey guys!!

I was reading a few threads on 'customer service' running amok, and wanted to share how things owrk at my current clinic. I swear, if all places would impart these rules/guidelines, the world of nursing would be so much better to work in.

First, I work in a general medicine clinic. My collaborating doc is well known for treating pain, but we are NOT a pain clinic. The patients get schooled on this at the first office visit, if not before. My OM, (the doc's daughter) is a gem, she is PHENOMENAL! She (well, all of us, really) has a zero-tolerance policy for bull, and once you're on her list, you're on it.

*We don't tolerate abuse. Period. If you come in and raise sand, you're out. Dismissed from the practice as a patient. If you have a friend or family member come in and raise sand for you, you're still out. If you bring a friend to your office visit, and that friend steals someone's wallet in the waiting room, you're still out. You brought them.

*We talk to each other. Actually had one lady tell me when I was new that the doc always gave her extra meds "in case she had a bad day". When I baked and said I'd have to verify that, she proceeded to tell me that our MA knew how to call them in, and no, he didn't write down the extra pills, just added them in when the script was called to the pharmacy. So, staff-splitting does NOT work.

*Behavior really does count. We have a 200-person strong waiting list to be a patient here. I databased it myself, from a tattered little book. Every time someone calls or comes by to ask where they are on the list, I can tell with a click of a mouse. People who come in and flip an attitude or demand to be seen immediately either get bumped to the bottom of the list, or taken off of it altogether. Posted a story relating to THAT on my other thread about things you'd love to tell patients. We even drew up a memo detailing the rules, that we hand out when someone comes by to add their name. For the ones that phone their order in, I call personally and explain the details.

* We keep records. Since we do prescribe controlled substances, if we hear or see that a patient has been arrested for DUI, selling, possession, or other offenses, we dismiss. If we get a call that someone is selling, we dismiss. If someone fails a drug screen, we dismiss. We have a closet full of dismissed charts, all carefully organized and databased (I love my computer) with names, reasons for dismissal, etc. You'd be amazed at what people will try to sneak back in. Different hair, different NAME, fit-throwing, wheedling, threats, etc. This souldn't be a surprise. All our patients are required to sign a behavior contract when they come to the clinic, that clearly states what comprises grounds for dismissal.

We have no doorknob leading from the lobby to the clinic proper. It was removed. We had people coming in without permission for 'sidewalk consults', demanding pain shots, and one lovely lady who proceeded to stand there, even though it was quite obvious that my OM was on the phone, shaking her pill bottle in her face and screaming, "WHERE are my %^&* refills?!?!?" Yep, bye-bye, sweetie!

We have a medication policy, as we call all prescriptions in. The meds are guaranteed by a certain time, period. No, you don't get an early call in without a darn good reason, and some people get REALLY creative. No problem, they get moved to the bottom of the pile. Every time they come back in (some of these people must LIVE at the pharmacy) wanting to know why they haven't gotten their meds yet, to the bottom they go. May sound mean, but they get the point after a while.

Point being, we just DO NOT reward bad behavior. There's no sense in it. Sure, we may lose a patient here and there that doesn't want to comply with the rules, but there are dozens ready to fill their spot in the chart rack. We're not outright mean, we just refuse to take abuse lying down.

So, my question...if it works for us, why on Earth can hospitals and other places make it work, too? Set policies and adhere to them, that's really all it is. Why is this phenomenon so difficult to replicate? They sure don't care to policy the staff to death, so I know it's not that. Why not go in the other direction?

Specializes in med-surg, psych, ER, school nurse-CRNP.

You're right, I had reference to the controls, not Singulair, lol. Although there WAS the man who ranted and raved, came to the clinic and banged on the back windows, and threatened to do "whatever it took" to get his Zocor, all because it wasn't called in inside of an hour. Same guy nearly fell out of his chair trying to look up my skirt once, as well. Why is he still there?

Doc has a soft spot for the dangedest people.

Yes, though, if you call and need refills on everyday stuff, you can usually expect a response within a couple hours, if it's not after we close or the weekend. There's no one there to answer the phone then, and we can't fill it if we don't know about it, lol!

Point being, we just DO NOT reward bad behavior. There's no sense in it. Sure, we may lose a patient here and there that doesn't want to comply with the rules, but there are dozens ready to fill their spot in the chart rack. We're not outright mean, we just refuse to take abuse lying down.

Are you hiring? ;)

When I worked in an outpatient clinic, I can't tell you how often bad behavior was *rewarded* with better than normal treatment and a thousand apologies- all for the sake of fear of losing a patient. It made me sick.

I would be scared to do anything out of line in this clinic, wouldn't wanna get "dismissed", LOL.

Must be an amazing doctor (or a super under-served area) if patients are coming in practically begging to be seen. I am not sure where you live, but in NYC, patients seem to enjoy "doc shopping", instead of sticking to one clinic for a long time. Then again, there are countless physician practices on every corner it seems.

In theory your policies and practices sound great, but I can only imagine how difficult it would be in practice. I know it's never good etiquette to call in asking for a refill in the last hour of the day, but sometimes after a busy day, I go to take my allergy meds, only to realize all the recent stress has made me forgot to call for a refill. Good thing the RN who works at my doctor's office is incredibly sweet and understanding of unforeseen circumstances, and is always willing to work with the patient with an air of compassion. I would be scared of doing that in your practice, living with the fear of being "put to the bottom of the pile" or even worse..."dismissed".

But in theory, sounds like an ideal set up, and a good way to keep away the riff-raff.

I'd be scared to breathe. I'd be looking for a different doctor so I didn't have to deal with this snooty-sounding bunch. I only hope all of the staff, OP included, get to experience severe and chronic unrelieved or insufficiently relieved pain, and see how it feels to be put to the bottom of the stack, dismissed, and left to beg and plead and live in terror.

Seriously, this sounds so vicious, so selfish, so cruel that I'm surprised no one has physically assaulted them yet. It probably works well enough in real life and perhaps comes across to patients only as firm, not cruel, but it really sounds like they think they are so much better than all those millions of people begging to be taken into their high-falutin' practice. It's not enough that people are in agonizing pain and are looked down upon as filthy scum welfarites, but to have to be afraid to even move on top of it - wow, just too much. I think I'd prefer to take my own life than deal with this practice if I were in chronic pain.

No LOL from here. And just what is the sin in calling in the last hour of the day for a refill? Is it ok to call in the 2nd to last hour?

Interesting that if you see someone is ARRESTED for various offenses you dismiss. No waiting for a conviction for you guys. Why bother with trivialities?

Specializes in med-surg, psych, ER, school nurse-CRNP.

We're not snooty, and we're not mean. It's a very simple premise, really. There are rules, and if you follow them, you have nothing to worry about. If you don't follow them, you're gone. We have a really good relationship with the medical board, and we intend to keep it that way.

No one is intentionally left in agony at our clinic, we treat rather aggressively, and if the patient continues to complain, we will refer to a pain clinic in an attempt to get them some relief. Those patients wont receive controls from us anymore, but we continue to see them for general care.

Don't assume that I don't know pain. Don't assume, period. You don't know us. And as far as physical assault, well, it's threatened. As far as 'welfarities', a lot of our patients are either on Medicaid, disability, or have no insurance. We take 'em all. We also are very well-versed in our 2nd Amendment rights, and there's a police station one street up. We're all set in that regard.

If we sound so bad to you, likely you would not be a happy patient, and that's OK, there are others docs to pick from in our area, that may not be so stringent. However, when said doc gets his license yanked (again), we will know about it and we won't accept his patients, just for the simple fact that it's plain DUMB to go looking for trouble.

Best of luck with your treatment. I hope you are able to find a practice that meets your needs.

Specializes in med-surg, psych, ER, school nurse-CRNP.

If they are arrested for selling, for a mixed-substance DUI, for possession of cocaine, meth, etc., yes, we dismiss. They are aware of this when they come in. Keep your nose clean, and you won't have anything to worry about.

Just FYI, if this bothers you so, you aren't REQUIRED to read it, you know. I never said it was perfect. It just works.

Specializes in Psychiatry.
I only hope all of the staff, OP included, get to experience severe and chronic unrelieved or insufficiently relieved pain, and see how it feels to be put to the bottom of the stack, dismissed, and left to beg and plead and live in terror.

Wishing someone to suffer is over the top. Really.

Wow.

Specializes in family practice.
I'd be scared to breathe. I'd be looking for a different doctor so I didn't have to deal with this snooty-sounding bunch. I only hope all of the staff, OP included, get to experience severe and chronic unrelieved or insufficiently relieved pain, and see how it feels to be put to the bottom of the stack, dismissed, and left to beg and plead and live in terror.

Seriously, this sounds so vicious, so selfish, so cruel that I'm surprised no one has physically assaulted them yet. It probably works well enough in real life and perhaps comes across to patients only as firm, not cruel, but it really sounds like they think they are so much better than all those millions of people begging to be taken into their high-falutin' practice. It's not enough that people are in agonizing pain and are looked down upon as filthy scum welfarites, but to have to be afraid to even move on top of it - wow, just too much. I think I'd prefer to take my own life than deal with this practice if I were in chronic pain.

No LOL from here. And just what is the sin in calling in the last hour of the day for a refill? Is it ok to call in the 2nd to last hour?

I do believe you are one for no rules. What is the point of setting rules if no one is going to adhere to it or enforce it. The patients knew what they were getting into and if you sign to abide by the rules then its no different.

the OP did say they do make exceptions and i believe please and thank you will get you farther than the line than **** you or its my right. We know its your right but then you dont have to rub it in our faces.

Also if they want to display bad behavior, go somewhere it will be tolerated, others are waiting in line and i believe most will abide.

RULES are RULES

I'd be scared to breathe. I'd be looking for a different doctor so I didn't have to deal with this snooty-sounding bunch. I only hope all of the staff, OP included, get to experience severe and chronic unrelieved or insufficiently relieved pain, and see how it feels to be put to the bottom of the stack, dismissed, and left to beg and plead and live in terror.

Seriously, this sounds so vicious, so selfish, so cruel that I'm surprised no one has physically assaulted them yet. It probably works well enough in real life and perhaps comes across to patients only as firm, not cruel, but it really sounds like they think they are so much better than all those millions of people begging to be taken into their high-falutin' practice. It's not enough that people are in agonizing pain and are looked down upon as filthy scum welfarites, but to have to be afraid to even move on top of it - wow, just too much. I think I'd prefer to take my own life than deal with this practice if I were in chronic pain.

No LOL from here. And just what is the sin in calling in the last hour of the day for a refill? Is it ok to call in the 2nd to last hour?

kooky, you are such an enabler, lol!;)

it's cruel to continue with this "you poor baby" attitude, that only serves to exacerbate an already, out of control PROBLEM within the u.s. drug culture.

i daresay they are not turning away willy nilly, but only those they strongly suspect as drug-seeking (more accurately, drug demanding).

seriously, are you going to pamper the pedophile who cries that he was molested as a child?

if we always went along with that rebuttal, we'd have millions more traumatized kids.

you're too much a softie, kook.:hug:...but dangerously so.

leslie

I'm sorry I read this! Now I just can't quit dreaming about working at such a clinic. Yesterday, after being wrung dry by a couple non-paying, evasive, drug seeking, no legitimate condition patients, we were held up (read hostage) until about 8PM. It took forever to check out each new story we were given, lie after lie, setting up referral to pain specialists, calling pharmacy, ordering tests. I would give anything to have a manager back us up, rather than giving them chance after chance, enabling such behavior. When we were done, doctor says to me "thanks for supporting that with your tax dollars, I appreciate it!" Well, at least we had a laugh. Oh, for the almighty medicaid dollars! :(

Specializes in Med/Surg.

This place reminds me of the Soup Nazi on Seinfeld. Does your doctor have mustache and say "No pills for you!" the minute someone acts up?

Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.

Shoot this all just reminded me that I need to call in Monday for my refill!

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