Now, if ALL places were run like this...tell me what you think!

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Hey guys!!

I was reading a few threads on 'customer service' running amok, and wanted to share how things owrk at my current clinic. I swear, if all places would impart these rules/guidelines, the world of nursing would be so much better to work in.

First, I work in a general medicine clinic. My collaborating doc is well known for treating pain, but we are NOT a pain clinic. The patients get schooled on this at the first office visit, if not before. My OM, (the doc's daughter) is a gem, she is PHENOMENAL! She (well, all of us, really) has a zero-tolerance policy for bull, and once you're on her list, you're on it.

*We don't tolerate abuse. Period. If you come in and raise sand, you're out. Dismissed from the practice as a patient. If you have a friend or family member come in and raise sand for you, you're still out. If you bring a friend to your office visit, and that friend steals someone's wallet in the waiting room, you're still out. You brought them.

*We talk to each other. Actually had one lady tell me when I was new that the doc always gave her extra meds "in case she had a bad day". When I baked and said I'd have to verify that, she proceeded to tell me that our MA knew how to call them in, and no, he didn't write down the extra pills, just added them in when the script was called to the pharmacy. So, staff-splitting does NOT work.

*Behavior really does count. We have a 200-person strong waiting list to be a patient here. I databased it myself, from a tattered little book. Every time someone calls or comes by to ask where they are on the list, I can tell with a click of a mouse. People who come in and flip an attitude or demand to be seen immediately either get bumped to the bottom of the list, or taken off of it altogether. Posted a story relating to THAT on my other thread about things you'd love to tell patients. We even drew up a memo detailing the rules, that we hand out when someone comes by to add their name. For the ones that phone their order in, I call personally and explain the details.

* We keep records. Since we do prescribe controlled substances, if we hear or see that a patient has been arrested for DUI, selling, possession, or other offenses, we dismiss. If we get a call that someone is selling, we dismiss. If someone fails a drug screen, we dismiss. We have a closet full of dismissed charts, all carefully organized and databased (I love my computer) with names, reasons for dismissal, etc. You'd be amazed at what people will try to sneak back in. Different hair, different NAME, fit-throwing, wheedling, threats, etc. This souldn't be a surprise. All our patients are required to sign a behavior contract when they come to the clinic, that clearly states what comprises grounds for dismissal.

We have no doorknob leading from the lobby to the clinic proper. It was removed. We had people coming in without permission for 'sidewalk consults', demanding pain shots, and one lovely lady who proceeded to stand there, even though it was quite obvious that my OM was on the phone, shaking her pill bottle in her face and screaming, "WHERE are my %^&* refills?!?!?" Yep, bye-bye, sweetie!

We have a medication policy, as we call all prescriptions in. The meds are guaranteed by a certain time, period. No, you don't get an early call in without a darn good reason, and some people get REALLY creative. No problem, they get moved to the bottom of the pile. Every time they come back in (some of these people must LIVE at the pharmacy) wanting to know why they haven't gotten their meds yet, to the bottom they go. May sound mean, but they get the point after a while.

Point being, we just DO NOT reward bad behavior. There's no sense in it. Sure, we may lose a patient here and there that doesn't want to comply with the rules, but there are dozens ready to fill their spot in the chart rack. We're not outright mean, we just refuse to take abuse lying down.

So, my question...if it works for us, why on Earth can hospitals and other places make it work, too? Set policies and adhere to them, that's really all it is. Why is this phenomenon so difficult to replicate? They sure don't care to policy the staff to death, so I know it's not that. Why not go in the other direction?

Specializes in med/surg, cardiology, advanced care.

Angelfire, where do you live and are you accepting resumes? How lucky are you to work in a place where the boss has a spine/chutzpah to require a contract and enforce it, brilliant! part of the problem is our western culture and pharmaceutical companies that make us think popping a purple pill is the cure. docs who won't confront a pt about prescription drug abuse, attorneys who solicit business by urging you to call their office if your loved one has been injured/neglected, etc. i have had pts follow me while dragging an iv pole and a foley demanding to know when they could have a prn dose of dilaudid 30 minutes after receiving a dose and after the frequency of the order was explained by me and every other nurse on the unit. i had so little time to spend with the pts who were truly ill (and seldom ask for anything) because the drug seekers monopolized it. how can you ask for phenergan for nausea and a sandwich/chips at the same time?

Specializes in Hospice.
I did read your posts. I responded to the statement the I bolded. You asked how the staff/clinic is supposed to differentiate between drug seeking patients and patients in chronic pain. It's not that hard.

I agree on the issue of behavior, that is exactly my point. The behavior of patients is what differentiates one from the other.

Then you're deliberately misunderstanding them. I'd still like to know how differentiate an addict from a non-addict showing the same behavior.

Mgammy, I think I beat you. How can anyone be having an excruciating headache while receiving over 300mg of IV morphine (yes true, and pt is not ill) while reading a book and drinking a coke? Had patient just like that.

Then you're deliberately misunderstanding them. I'd still like to know how differentiate an addict from a non-addict showing the same behavior.

What does it matter? If the behavior is intolerable, addicted or not, it's unacceptable.

Specializes in Hospice.
What does it matter? If the behavior is intolerable, addicted or not, it's unacceptable.

Exactly the point I was trying to make.

Specializes in med-surg, psych, ER, school nurse-CRNP.

Leslie, did I? I'm sorry, lol. I didn't realize I disagreed. It's been a week. From heck. In a handbasket, lol.

I'd be scared to breathe. I'd be looking for a different doctor so I didn't have to deal with this snooty-sounding bunch. I only hope all of the staff, OP included, get to experience severe and chronic unrelieved or insufficiently relieved pain, and see how it feels to be put to the bottom of the stack, dismissed, and left to beg and plead and live in terror.

I live in constant pain, most days I have a period of time where it rates as what I'll wager most would consider severe.

I've experienced pain crisis that leave me unable to do much more than lay in bed and cry. Or pace to the point of exhaustion.

Nothing and I do mean NOTHING gives me or any other chronic pain patient the right to abuse my doctor's office staff or demand special treatment.

Prescriptions don't suddenly run out creating a situation where they have to be filled immediately, be it pain meds, BP or allergy meds. You know darn well how many is left in the bottle every time you open it. Having to wait your turn (and possibly go without) is the price you pay if you're too busy or stressed or keep forgetting to call for a refill. If calling for refills in a timely manner isn't a priority for the patient it's unreasonable to expect the doctor's office to staff to make it a priority for them. If you can't make time to call in advance for appts, refills, etc then it just isn't that important to you. If it was, you'd make time.

There is no sin in calling for a refill in the last hour of the day. The 'sin' is in expecting it to be taken care of that same day and being a jerk when you don't.

To the OP...I wish your practice was in my community.

Due to a job relocation I've had to go from a well run, hospital based, rehab & physical medicine clinic that also does pain management (my Physiatrist was my primary doc) to an area where no such practice exists.

Specializes in med/surg, cardiology, advanced care.

dear kids,

if you haven't already tried acupuncture, it may help. i have crunchy knees and after a few txs my pain level went from 8 to 1-2. not covered by insurance and you'd probably have to travel to a larger city. check out this link http://nccam.nih.gov/health/acupuncture/

best of luck to you

I've experienced pain crisis that leave me unable to do much more than lay in bed and cry. Or pace to the point of exhaustion.

Nothing and I do mean NOTHING gives me or any other chronic pain patient the right to abuse my doctor's office staff or demand special treatment.

you, my dear, are a breath of fresh air.

if only i had a magic wand...

actually, there are a couple of actions to take...:devil:

but at this moment, i would sprinkle the fairy dust and wish for all, to eminate you.

leslie

I didn't get the impression at all that there is any flexibility or leeway in this practice for anything, however minimal. Everyone is presumed, always, to be a lowlife, a drugseeking scumbag, due to being on welfare - or, although not said, maybe the wrong color. Furthermore, here's a hypothetical for everyone - how about the hospital prez or an employee of the OP's practice, or the town mayor or some other rich, powerful, well-heeled, well-connected person,
The original poster never mentioned pay status in her first post. It wasn't until page 2 when she mentioned they see patients with a variety of pay status.

I believe all patients should be treated as individuals regardless of prior history or problems. Each visit requires a proper assessment preferably by an RN. I would not want somebody dismissing me for something they believed I did which I may not of. I have a name so popular that every town has at least ten with the exact same name. I have even had medication refused because somebody with the same middle initial and date of birth already got it. I insist on ss id now. Good luck and I pray that you will be merciful in your care.

Specializes in med-surg, psych, ER, school nurse-CRNP.

Each visit gets an assessment, vitals, and an exam. We do require more than a name for dismissal, and we don't lump people together. We are more than fair, but again, it all boils down to behavior.

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