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Hey guys!!
I was reading a few threads on 'customer service' running amok, and wanted to share how things owrk at my current clinic. I swear, if all places would impart these rules/guidelines, the world of nursing would be so much better to work in.
First, I work in a general medicine clinic. My collaborating doc is well known for treating pain, but we are NOT a pain clinic. The patients get schooled on this at the first office visit, if not before. My OM, (the doc's daughter) is a gem, she is PHENOMENAL! She (well, all of us, really) has a zero-tolerance policy for bull, and once you're on her list, you're on it.
*We don't tolerate abuse. Period. If you come in and raise sand, you're out. Dismissed from the practice as a patient. If you have a friend or family member come in and raise sand for you, you're still out. If you bring a friend to your office visit, and that friend steals someone's wallet in the waiting room, you're still out. You brought them.
*We talk to each other. Actually had one lady tell me when I was new that the doc always gave her extra meds "in case she had a bad day". When I baked and said I'd have to verify that, she proceeded to tell me that our MA knew how to call them in, and no, he didn't write down the extra pills, just added them in when the script was called to the pharmacy. So, staff-splitting does NOT work.
*Behavior really does count. We have a 200-person strong waiting list to be a patient here. I databased it myself, from a tattered little book. Every time someone calls or comes by to ask where they are on the list, I can tell with a click of a mouse. People who come in and flip an attitude or demand to be seen immediately either get bumped to the bottom of the list, or taken off of it altogether. Posted a story relating to THAT on my other thread about things you'd love to tell patients. We even drew up a memo detailing the rules, that we hand out when someone comes by to add their name. For the ones that phone their order in, I call personally and explain the details.
* We keep records. Since we do prescribe controlled substances, if we hear or see that a patient has been arrested for DUI, selling, possession, or other offenses, we dismiss. If we get a call that someone is selling, we dismiss. If someone fails a drug screen, we dismiss. We have a closet full of dismissed charts, all carefully organized and databased (I love my computer) with names, reasons for dismissal, etc. You'd be amazed at what people will try to sneak back in. Different hair, different NAME, fit-throwing, wheedling, threats, etc. This souldn't be a surprise. All our patients are required to sign a behavior contract when they come to the clinic, that clearly states what comprises grounds for dismissal.
We have no doorknob leading from the lobby to the clinic proper. It was removed. We had people coming in without permission for 'sidewalk consults', demanding pain shots, and one lovely lady who proceeded to stand there, even though it was quite obvious that my OM was on the phone, shaking her pill bottle in her face and screaming, "WHERE are my %^&* refills?!?!?" Yep, bye-bye, sweetie!
We have a medication policy, as we call all prescriptions in. The meds are guaranteed by a certain time, period. No, you don't get an early call in without a darn good reason, and some people get REALLY creative. No problem, they get moved to the bottom of the pile. Every time they come back in (some of these people must LIVE at the pharmacy) wanting to know why they haven't gotten their meds yet, to the bottom they go. May sound mean, but they get the point after a while.
Point being, we just DO NOT reward bad behavior. There's no sense in it. Sure, we may lose a patient here and there that doesn't want to comply with the rules, but there are dozens ready to fill their spot in the chart rack. We're not outright mean, we just refuse to take abuse lying down.
So, my question...if it works for us, why on Earth can hospitals and other places make it work, too? Set policies and adhere to them, that's really all it is. Why is this phenomenon so difficult to replicate? They sure don't care to policy the staff to death, so I know it's not that. Why not go in the other direction?
Leslie, it's not so much that it's taken out of context, I don't think. Some don't get it, because they dont WANT to get it, and that's OK. I know it works, I know we're not a practice run amok with sanctimonious, paranoid, haughty people. Whoever made the statement about the practice we chose not to accept patients from being a pill mill was dead on. And Doc won't touch that, because of the simple fact, we have before. They often come to us on a dangerous combo of meds, or just way too much medication, period. Doc adjusts the regime to a safe level, but then you have those who are never satisfied.
As has been reiterated ad nauseum, it boils down to behavior. We don't reward bad behavior. Nor do we arbitrarily kick folks out without due process. Case in point, a patient recently contacted me on Facebook, asking about insurance info, and then asking if I thought Doc would switch her to Oxy, as her Lorcet was not controlling her pain. Since he decides on a patient-by-patient basis, I told her I could not say, but that I would ask, and I'd set her up to see Doc instead of me for her next visit, since he would have to make the changes. When I told the OM about the conversation, she said that she was going to dismiss the lady for contacting me. I argued in her favor and won. Nothing that was said or done by her was inappropriate. She just wanted info.
So, contrary to popular belief, we're not heartless, just strict. In a practice that distributes controlled substances, it's only prudent. I worked too hard for my license to throw it away over something that is easily avoided.
I would be scared to do anything out of line in this clinic, wouldn't wanna get "dismissed", LOL.Must be an amazing doctor (or a super under-served area) if patients are coming in practically begging to be seen. I am not sure where you live, but in NYC, patients seem to enjoy "doc shopping", instead of sticking to one clinic for a long time. Then again, there are countless physician practices on every corner it seems.
In theory your policies and practices sound great, but I can only imagine how difficult it would be in practice. I know it's never good etiquette to call in asking for a refill in the last hour of the day, but sometimes after a busy day, I go to take my allergy meds, only to realize all the recent stress has made me forgot to call for a refill. Good thing the RN who works at my doctor's office is incredibly sweet and understanding of unforeseen circumstances, and is always willing to work with the patient with an air of compassion. I would be scared of doing that in your practice, living with the fear of being "put to the bottom of the pile" or even worse..."dismissed".
But in theory, sounds like an ideal set up, and a good way to keep away the rif-raf.
I worked in an ortho clinic. All they care about is pain meds. They will leave you 50 voice mails a day. It's not your poor "I need some claritin" patients. I can guarantee patients are not up in arms clowning in the clinic about some antihistamines.
Most of the people posting have clearly never worked in a clinic and do not understand the badgering and abuse staff are prone to. Especially if your clinic provides narcotics. Patients can be rude and abusive, and yes, the vast majority of the rudest patients ARE on government insurance programs. It may not sound PC but it's the truth.
I'm with the original poster. Enough is enough with the damn customer service. I don't work at Macy's. I'm a provider of health care and it's my job to be a proponent of your health even when YOU don't get it or want me to be. Which means I won't always be popular. I'm sick of validating b.s. & complaining patients who pretend they know something because they know how to log into mayoclinic.com or because their sister is a nurse who's not worked at the bedside for 20 years. Puh-lease.
Thank you for asking us what we think! I am passionately against nurse abuse. There should be no tolerance for it. But that has to be balanced with evaluating and managing individual needs. Patients, like all humans are dynamic creatures with changing needs. Your post outlines the spectrum of multiple issues that impact nursing care universally. The concern is: about implementing certain processes while becoming a variation on Seinfeld's Soup Nazi episode. So, how can we balance an intolerance of nurse abuse while avoiding a "Care Nazi" mentality: "No care for you, Elaine!" LOL!
I fervently wish this would work in the ER. Unfortunately, when a pt checks in for a "legitimate, potentially life-threatening" complaint, we have to bend over and take for fear of legal repercussions. It take an act of god to even have a physically violent pt arrested in my lovely workplace:-/
Amazing, sounds almost like where I worked at my best nursing job for 15 years. It was actually a high tech pain clinic. We were not as organized as you but we were the bosses. People got one chance to "lose" a drug. The stories were fun to hear. One guy left his 100# vicodin on a public bus. Another said her morphine was on the fireplace mantle during the earthquake next to a bottle of perfume and they both dropped and mixed together. One said she never picked up the meds, as an impersonator did. The best part of the job? If a nurse got bullied or was given no respect, the doc would come in and say "you cannot talk to my nurse this way", and "if you do it again, you will have to find another clinic". Let me say, the patients were all dolls! Respectful, grateful, the best job ever.
OP, you mentioned that all patients are required to sign a behavior contract when they come to the clinic, and that it clearly states what comprises grounds for dismissal. I wonder if your clinic has had an attorney look over the that contract?
If not, it might be wise to do so. You never know when a disgruntled patient may pursue legal recourse over being refused services.
OP, you mentioned that all patients are required to sign a behavior contract when they come to the clinic, and that it clearly states what comprises grounds for dismissal. I wonder if your clinic has had an attorney look over the that contract?If not, it might be wise to do so. You never know when a disgruntled patient may pursue legal recourse over being refused services.
excellent idea, and one worthy of pursuing if it hasn't already been done.
leslie
I know I am not as experienced in the health field, as I am only in my pre-reqs for the nursing program, however...
I love the idea of requiring proper behaviour in order to be served. I HAVE experienced severe pain, and there is a difference between being upset/hurt and being abusive.
Also, I work in banking, and can I just tell you the abuse we take every day - people take their money troubles out on the bank staff, even though I didn't make you overdraw your account and not keep track of your accounts for the 100th time... Luckily, I have some clout, so I can tell a customer that if the bad behaviour continues, I cannot help them. My management will support me if I show that I am being abused. Once I have that conversation with the abusive customer, they either leave or stay so I can truly try and help them actually learn how to take care of their finances so they don't continue to have financial "pain".
I hope that I will be able to take my skills in handling abusive bank customers into my nursing career. I think you can certainly require that someone treat you with respect, no matter how much pain you are in. It is all about how you treat others - fairly and compassionately, but firm about how you expect them to behave. :hug:
VivaLasViejas, ASN, RN
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And the rest of us should be thanking God for nurses like you, who are in the trenches working with populations most of us don't particularly enjoy caring for (but do it when we must). It takes all kinds of nurses to meet the needs of the human race......there's a lot of room for 'bleeding-hearts' in this profession. :redbeathe