NON Group-One hopsitals

[sunnyjohn]

Does anyone have a list of hospitals in DFW that do not use Group One?

I looked on the website at the "client" list, but I would like to here form people who know first-hand.

Anyone?

[Chewy14]

I never said not to sign it. I only said the line through the above items BEFORE signing it. And initial and date where you line through. I would still speak to an employment lawyer about their tactics. There has to be something illegal about what they do to people. If they are calling it a "credit report" and it is merely a tool for them to dig unfounded dirt on individuals, I would think that you could make a case for it. Maybe those of you can get a group together, find an attorney, and file a class action suit against them, in the meantime get some public support against what they do with an article in a couple of the papers. Find an investigative reporter. The longer they do this and get away with it, the longer it will go on. Look at the public's outrage with "identity theft". I think that the public would be outraged if they knew what they were doing, especially since they are siging up colleges and educational programs. You might be able to get a congressman interested in putting a stop to it. Also, when I left my last job, I ws given a choice as to what information I allowed to be given out concerning my employment there. I only allowed my dates of employment to be given out. Period. If you line through what don't allow Group One to obtain, you have put a stop to their unfair practices. Then neither your former employer or Group One can legally obtain you information. If the information is obtained by Group One, then you can sue. This is my suggestion to you and others that have been injured by Group One. If it were me, I woud try to get others in that sitiation and try to form a group that can file a class action suit against them.

If nurses and others refuse to sign the authorization, they cannot ge ahold of the information. READ WHAT YOU ARE SIGNING, AND DON'T HESTITATE TO CHALLENGE IT AND ASK QUESTIONS. JMHO, AND 0.02 CENTS.

Lindarn RN, BSN, CCRN

I think you have some great ideas and that is exactly what I am interested in doing. I would love to get a group of people together and take it to the media etc. This has angered me for years that they have this power. I always thought it strange that anyone would need a Consumer Report for a position in which no exchange of monies occur. Nursing is a very politically powerful organization and I think that if we took it to the capital and fought it, just like teacher and realtors etc. who are also very politically powerful entities, we could get something done about them. I'm preparing to get out of nursing, in large part because of this, but I will keep my license and still wish to be a part of any movement to stop this. I would love to hear from any texas nurses who would be interested in taking part. From what I've gathered almost all, except maybe two or three of their clients are from texas.

[ZZTopRN, BSN, RN]

( I added the highlight for reference). Good post

Have the potential? They did almost ruin me!

I had to take travelling jobs while they fixed the whole mess. No hospital in DFW would touch me! The entire Group One report was a series of errors and identity mixups and it still took nearly a year to clear up. During those months I met a few nurses and healthcare workers in DFW who had an impossible time getting work because of bad things vengful employers had said about them.

I have since learned to deal with Group One like any Credit Reporting Agency thanks to credit-savy friends. I had to to get it all cleared up.

I just want to avoid them if I can.

How free do you think we are in this country. Our lives are governed by big corporations, big government. We are told on TV how we should look and how we should think of ourselves. Group one is a horrific example. Even insinuations can blackball you. It is getting scarier and scarier in this country. Especially with the incorporation of all hospitals. Suppose you had a mishap with one hospital, that maybe someone was unfair or had an unjustified grudge against you. Since the hospitals are all incorporated, you can't go to another hospital with a fresh start.

Marking through the words that allow them to contact former employees does not work. I was in this situation as a former armed security officer. I was hired as a "token" female by a company, had gone through the academy, got my firearms permit and was a very professional and reliable employee. However, these companies get a certain amount of money from the government for hiring the supposedly "disadvantaged and underprivileged." I soon found that I was in a dead-end position while 18 and 19-year-olds were given the best jobs, patrol, undercover, etc. who were half the time were either semi-literate,or could hardly speak english or did not qualify for their gun permits, and was having other officers do their paper work for them. In time I protested. All it got me was terrible harassment at every turn until I quit. I went to another employer and told them the story. They were so reassuring when I told them I was crossing out the part of giving permission to contact former employers. I then found out the use of a deadly instrument called "the telephone." The harassment was worse after the first week. It is curious that the things that I had made complaints about were the same things they used to harass me again with and it got worse.

So don't rely on the "writing a line through." Nothing is different now with nursing. You can't go to one hospital without someone from another one you worked at without them knowing you. It is so sad. When I started out in nursing before all the individual hospitals were bought up, it was a pleasure being a nurse. Not now with corporatization.

Sure, you have bennies, they don't have in 3rd world countries, but if you step out of the corporate line, you can lose everything and be left on the street or worse yet, jail. Then sometimes if you protest, you will be called mentally ill. Be very, very, careful.

[Chewy14]

How free do you think we are in this country. Our lives are governed by big corporations, big government. We are told on TV how we should look and how we should think of ourselves. Group one is a horrific example. Even insinuations can blackball you. It is getting scarier and scarier in this country. Especially with the incorporation of all hospitals. Suppose you had a mishap with one hospital, that maybe someone was unfair or had an unjustified grudge against you. Since the hospitals are all incorporated, you can't go to another hospital with a fresh start.

Marking through the words that allow them to contact former employees does not work. I was in this situation as a former armed security officer. I was hired as a "token" female by a company, had gone through the academy, got my firearms permit and was a very professional and reliable employee. However, these companies get a certain amount of money from the government for hiring the supposedly "disadvantaged and underprivileged." I soon found that I was in a dead-end position while 18 and 19-year-olds were given the best jobs, patrol, undercover, etc. who were half the time were either semi-literate,or could hardly speak english or did not qualify for their gun permits, and was having other officers do their paper work for them. In time I protested. All it got me was terrible harassment at every turn until I quit. I went to another employer and told them the story. They were so reassuring when I told them I was crossing out the part of giving permission to contact former employers. I then found out the use of a deadly instrument called "the telephone." The harassment was worse after the first week. It is curious that the things that I had made complaints about were the same things they used to harass me again with and it got worse.

So don't rely on the "writing a line through." Nothing is different now with nursing. You can't go to one hospital without someone from another one you worked at without them knowing you. It is so sad. When I started out in nursing before all the individual hospitals were bought up, it was a pleasure being a nurse. Not now with corporatization.

Sure, you have bennies, they don't have in 3rd world countries, but if you step out of the corporate line, you can lose everything and be left on the street or worse yet, jail. Then sometimes if you protest, you will be called mentally ill. Be very, very, careful.

You are sooo right!!! I was thinking about this the other day. I am a history major and in doing my research, it dawned on me that we call North America a free country, we have all these "Rights", but in reality, we are not free at all. We have freedoms that people of other countries do not have, but we are far, far, far from being "Free". Almost everything we do is regulated be some higher entity. If you go to work and voice your opinion about how something is being or was done, which happens to rub your charge nurse the wrong way, suddenly that "freedom of speech" that we all enjoy, becomes "insubordination" and you could lose your job, or worse yet, GroupOne could find out about you!!! etc, etc, etc,...We are not a free country, we are just a little less regulated than others.

[Mulan]

It says right on the directions for filling out the application, "The disclosure statements must be completed and signed without alterations."

What good is it going to do to cross them out? If you really want a job with them, you have to sign or they won't hire you anyway.

[ZZTopRN, BSN, RN]

It says right on the directions for filling out the application, "The disclosure statements must be completed and signed without alterations."

What good is it going to do to cross them out? If you really want a job with them, you have to sign or they won't hire you anyway.

That is VERY scary!! That tells you right there, you have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHTS! OMG.

[hollyster]

( I added the highlight for reference). Good post

Have the potential? They did almost ruin me!

I had to take travelling jobs while they fixed the whole mess. No hospital in DFW would touch me! The entire Group One report was a series of errors and identity mixups and it still took nearly a year to clear up. During those months I met a few nurses and healthcare workers in DFW who had an impossible time getting work because of bad things vengful employers had said about them.

I have since learned to deal with Group One like any Credit Reporting Agency thanks to credit-savy friends. I had to to get it all cleared up.

I just want to avoid them if I can.

The group one is all over the states. It is just not out in the open like Group One of Texas. Same main hsp chain trying to destroy the careers of the people that left them or that were wrongfully terminated no matter what the reason. I realised that I was working for morally empty company when after orientation we were told that we would have to attend ethics classes once a year for the seven years because our corp. had been found guilty of fraud and part of the settlement was that all employees of the company will attend a mandatory ethics class for seven years and that we were not to tell anyone outside of the company.

[mydesygn]

It says right on the directions for filling out the application, "The disclosure statements must be completed and signed without alterations."

What good is it going to do to cross them out? If you really want a job with them, you have to sign or they won't hire you anyway.

I personally think one of the biggest reasons they are allowed to exist unchallenged is so few nurses know they exist. Before I came to this forum, I did not know such an organization existed. Like every other nurse, I signed a statement for what I thought was a "credit" report not fully reading the language. I beleive most nurses do not have any awareness of what information is being exchanged. The saddest thing is we beleive that the only information that can be obtained from a former employer is dates of employment. How naive. There are so many ways around that. As a manager, I can tell you I have had potential employers call me directly regarding an applicant who was a former employee. We all know which departments to contact.

The reason I beleive that it will continue to exist is nurses are there own worse enemy. I can stand amongst a group of nurses and listen to them rip a new staff member to pieces over a minor error. I hear the total lack of understanding and the intense criticism and blame. With those attitudes, do you think that nurses will support you in a fight against an GroupOne? I guarantee the first words out of their mouth will be -- He/She must have done something to deserve it. Doesn't matter that the process and organization are shady. It is all about placing blame on the indiviual. I'm sorry I just don't have much faith in the courage and strength of nurses. I wish that Texas nurses (like the nurses in California) had a powerful nursing organization that would be willing to pressure DFW hospital council on this organization, to hire the lawyers and fight the good fight.

[Chewy14]

I personally think one of the biggest reasons they are allowed to exist unchallenged is so few nurses know they exist. Before I came to this forum, I did not know such an organization existed. Like every other nurse, I signed a statement for what I thought was a "credit" report not fully reading the language. I beleive most nurses do not have any awareness of what information is being exchanged. The saddest thing is we beleive that the only information that can be obtained from a former employer is dates of employment. How naive. There are so many ways around that. As a manager, I can tell you I have had potential employers call me directly regarding an applicant who was a former employee. We all know which departments to contact.

The reason I beleive that it will continue to exist is nurses are there own worse enemy. I can stand amongst a group of nurses and listen to them rip a new staff member to pieces over a minor error. I hear the total lack of understanding and the intense criticism and blame. With those attitudes, do you think that nurses will support you in a fight against an GroupOne? I guarantee the first words out of their mouth will be -- He/She must have done something to deserve it. Doesn't matter that the process and organization are shady. It is all about placing blame on the indiviual. I'm sorry I just don't have much faith in the courage and strength of nurses. I wish that Texas nurses (like the nurses in California) had a powerful nursing organization that would be willing to pressure DFW hospital council on this organization, to hire the lawyers and fight the good fight.

You know, sadly, I have to agree with you on the courage and the strength of nurses. I noted something very interesting a few months ago. My husband is in remission for non-hodgkins stage IV. Chemo caused him to go into liver failure and he became encephalopic and septic with pneumonia. He was in a coma for a week in ICU. The first night he woke for just a few seconds, but long enough to pull the ng tube out. The male nurses never had a problem with me being in his room to watch him. As a matter of fact each one said they preferred that someone be in there with him round the clock. When the female nurses came on shift, immediately they made me leave. I learned many years ago never to tell the nurses that I too am a nurse because I don't want them to feel uncomfortable or nervous. This time, evidently one of his doctors must have said something, because that was always the first comment out of their mouths, male or female. I'm a history major right now, so I find that I always like to analyze things. It seemed as if the female nurses felt threatened, whereas the males did not. I wonder how often you find that male nurses try to place blame when situations come up? Hmmm....

[RN4NICU, LPN, LVN]

The reason I beleive that it will continue to exist is nurses are there own worse enemy. (sic)

Sad, but true. Yes, the entities in question (such as Group One) , and those who subscribe to their services, are responsible for their own lack of ethics but if nurses would stand together and support one another instead of tearing one another to shreads (ha...yeah, right) we could solve a lot of our own problems.

[mydesygn]

You know, sadly, I have to agree with you on the courage and the strength of nurses. I noted something very interesting a few months ago. My husband is in remission for non-hodgkins stage IV. Chemo caused him to go into liver failure and he became encephalopic and septic with pneumonia. He was in a coma for a week in ICU. The first night he woke for just a few seconds, but long enough to pull the ng tube out. The male nurses never had a problem with me being in his room to watch him. As a matter of fact each one said they preferred that someone be in there with him round the clock. When the female nurses came on shift, immediately they made me leave. I learned many years ago never to tell the nurses that I too am a nurse because I don't want them to feel uncomfortable or nervous. This time, evidently one of his doctors must have said something, because that was always the first comment out of their mouths, male or female. I'm a history major right now, so I find that I always like to analyze things. It seemed as if the female nurses felt threatened, whereas the males did not. I wonder how often you find that male nurses try to place blame when situations come up? Hmmm....

I know everyone has opinions but, personally, exceptional examples aside. I find male nurses easier to work with and work for. I beleive as managers they don't spend enormous amounts of time trying to make everyone like them. Expectations are less nuanced and less dependent on what that person might "feel". As co-workers, they don't tend to engage in the criticism and blame that goes on. They manage to stay above it. Personal observations, I recognize that does not apply to all. I think females tend to react without fully and logically thinking it through. You say the female nurses would make you leave. I can almost guarantee you that there was a conversation at some point describing how you thought you should always be there or how you thought you knew so much or how you were asking a lot of questions that you should know. There always a lot of guessing about your motives or agenda, none of which involved a direct question to you. Whereas the men figured, she wants to help and she is not in the way -- Doesn't matter what your motives are. I think nurses are slow to gain respect because so often decisions are reactionary. I have worked on a unit where the nurses would write incident reports for all manner of minor or inconsequential issue, they would run to the manager with every petty complaint imaginable. I told my brother about this (he's a truckdriver), the first words out of his mouth were "no man would threaten another's livlihood by runnning to the boss, we would work it out with the dude himself" and yet women are so concerned about "reporting" someone that we never consider that we are threatening their job and worse yet would never consider, god forbid, actually approaching them and discussing an issue. Sorry about the rant.

[jeanie250]

I find that you are so right about male and female nurses. I recently had a heart attack and while in ccu my menses came. Needless to say I was embarrased but needed help with all the machines and tubes and wires I was scared to move. On the day shift there were two male Rn's who did everything and reassured me. Then came the evening shift with female Rn's and one even insinuated that I must have been moving to be needing a change twice in one shift. Also I have been in this perfession almost thirty years and I have seen every aspect of the healthcare profession stand up for one another except nurses. I have eve seen provider's Md's and PA's cover for each other but not Nurses and I have alway's wondered why. Is it because we don't respect the power and authority we actually have. Think about it who provides the bulk of medical care? Who does the most hands on care? Who answers and teaches the consumer of health care services how to maintain health? It is sad but true nurses carry the weight in health care but we do not respect the positions that we have sadly nurses are our own worst enemy. I just know that two nurses are better than one and there is power in numbers. This corporation needs nurses to work in and run there facilities but if all nurses in that area would solemnly refuse to even fill out that form then they would be in a pckle to fill positions. Unfortunately we as nurses don't nip things in the bud in the begining we have this waitand see attitude and then when the flames are are raging we want to rally.

[hollyster]

I told a friend about group one this morning. She tried to go to the website and it was not there. I have tried several times today to get to the site and kept getting the site not found message. Seems suspicious.

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