No worries USA. Only healthcare workers will be exposed to ebola.

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Last night I read that the CDC is planning to transport at least one American Citizen with the ebola virus to Atlanta for treatment. Driving around today my car radio kept assaulting me with experts soothingly asserting that there is no reason for the American population to fear exposure to the virus. To a man they all went on to say that only healthcare workers were likely to be exposed.

If you're a healthcare worker raise your hand. Are you angry? Do you feel like you're being considered expendable? Less than fully human? Are you worried?

I don't favor deliberately bringing ANY known infected person across the ocean to this continent. OK, Ebola is not all that easy to contract. It's a lot harder to contract if it is thousands of miles away.

The virus is spread by contact with infected body fluids. So lets say a nurses aid in a hospital comes in contact with those body fluids (diarrhea, emesis, blood, whatever. Accidents happen even if you take precautions.) What is to stop her from spreading the virus to her husband or child? What is to stop a child infected in this way from spreading it within his classroom?

I have always been able to deal with the concept of ebola by reminding myself that it exists on another continent. Perhaps I'm being selfish, but I believe that anyone sickened in Africa should be treated in Africa. We don't need to help diseases spread around the globe any more than we already do.

NIMBY. In this case, NIMBY. I'm not a NIMBY kind of girl, but this terrifies me.

What do you think? What would you do if you were assigned a patient know to be infected with Ebola?

Specializes in Emergency/Trauma/Critical Care Nursing.
In general, not addressing anyone . . . There is not ONE past OR current research study proving or even hinting (excluding cross animal contamination where variables were not controlled) that Ebola is airborne, NOT ONE. Some posts have links to articles referring to the POSSIBILITY (and even those are 10+ years old) of airborne transmission. If it were truly airborne, use your common NURSING sense, everyone in Africa would be sick by now. To say "gee, we just don't know", "who can trust CDC", "we're not being told everything" (yeah, like they would really want to hide something so you can help spread it more, ***) . . . I don't know. I am really disappointed, and somewhat surprised, in the lack of critical thinking. We are professionals. Please! I can understand being fearful of Ebola in US, but that is no reason to let our critical thinking become cloudy. Simply because people self-isolate because they're not sure if they've been exposed or not because they were somewhere near one of the outbreak countries, doesn't mean Ebola is spreading. Oh, well. I guess time will tell. You will be isolated in your home with your loved ones, which is fine with me, and I'll be at the hospital.

I had to "like" your post even before I finished reading it! Lol

Regarding the "they/them/there" issue. This just really sets my teeth on edge. I could write pages about the reason this annoys me, but large parts of that would be off-topic so I won't. The very, very abridged version; we live in a global world, there's no escaping that. All human lives, regardless of nationality and location have equal value. We don't leave our people behind.

This, totally this. I will not disparage someone for not wanting to be one of the team members treating the Ebola patients at Emory. Thankfully there were plenty of professionals willing to take on that risk. The team at Emory volunteered to take on the risk. No one was forced, and two nurses actually went so far as to cancel their vacations to volunteer to take shifts in the case. For every person who is worried enough to step back, there will be another willing to step up. For me it's this. I was raised by former military. I started JROTC when I was 14. Volunteered at the VA. For me, the idea that you don't leave a man behind is second nature. If I worked at Emory, I would be one of the ones volunteering. Then again, I want to work on the front lines. I can see how someone who wants to work in another department, has dependents, and a variety of other concerns may not be so keen on signing up. We can't fault someone for doing what is right for them, as long as all safeguards and precautions are followed.

IMO the delusional ones are the people who keep harping on it not being airborne or becoming airborne. Viruses adapt to their host and whose to say that one day it will figure out that the best way to infect humans is by airborne transmission and mutate.

You're all going to wake up one day to the news that it IS airborne and I guarantee you that you'll

be the first one's screaming at the top of your lungs that you refuse to treat an ebola patient.

I’ve never been called delusional before, but I guess I am now :wideyed: since I certainly can’t deny that I’ve been “harping on” about the fact that the transmission route of the Ebola virus isn’t airborne.

It’s my understanding that delusional means that a person holds a false belief in the face of evidence to the contrary, that is resistant to all reason or a false belief that’s resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact.

If you have any actual scientific facts to confront me with, feel free to do so. Until I see legitimate studies with new knowledge, I will continue to believe the scientific evidence available to me at this time. The evidence currently available supports my “harping”.

Knowledge is power, and in this instance it’s also peace of mind. For the life of me, I don’t understand this penchant for worrying yourselves (the general you, not specifically the poster I’m responding to) to bits with unsubstantiated speculation and by looking for information from unreliable sources that aren’t even remotely scientifically credible.

The Ebola virus has infected humans since 1976. That’s almost forty years. It’s not suddenly mutated in the last couple of weeks to airborne transmission! Please recognize that this is your own (again the collective you) anxiety and fear speaking and it’s doing so because the virus is suddenly too close to home for comfort. It’s understandable but it’s not rational.

Remember, not only viruses are contagious, fear is a potent contagion and it might actually be the most destructive of all.

Remember, not only viruses are contagious, fear is a potent contagion and it might actually be the most destructive of all.

With this I agree. Fear can be useful, as when it prevents us from taking unnecessary risk that can put life and limb in danger- but it can also prevent us from taking those risks that can lead to personal growth or enhance our quality of life. I'm not suggesting, when I say that I think it was a really bad idea to bring the two infected Americans back to the States, that I am in a state of fear about it. I just think it's a bad idea, and as I've stated, I don't expect an immediate epidemic, but rather, I predict ramifications sometime in the future.

Simply because one disagrees with the decision does not mean they are in fear about it. I can use my rational brain to form an opinion counter to yours without it being from a fear based perspective.

My earlier comment about retreating to my remote cabin with my food stockpile and shotgun was (mostly) tongue in cheek- however, I do think it is possible (how probable, I'm not certain, but definitely possible) that within our lifetimes, we will see a certain level of collapse of society that would make it really wise to have a food stockpile and to be prepared to defend your life and property. I'm not quite a "prepper"- but having traveled internationally and seen the U.S. from the outside in, I am more convinced than ever that we are on the downward slope. Am I afraid? Not really- there's no point in running around all scared and paranoid. I'm going on with my life as usual, experiencing the ups and downs, the joys and sorrows, of being alive. I just happen to be of the opinion that knowingly transporting such a virulent pathogen into the U.S. is a bad idea.

So please do not equate my opinion with hysteria, panic, or fear. To me that is very dismissive and disrespectful.

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.

I believe that half of all Americans have been practicing being fearful on the basis of unfounded but alarming statments and opinions for about 6-7 years now. At the same time they are practicing the art of ignoring and discrediting science.

I believe that half of all Americans have been practicing being fearful on the basis of unfounded but alarming statments and opinions for about 6-7 years now. At the same time they are practicing the art of ignoring and discrediting science.

I would tend to agree with this. We are a nation of fear. It is so obvious.

Specializes in L&D, Women's Health.
IMO the delusional ones are the people who keep harping on it not being airborne or becoming airborne. Viruses adapt to their host and whose to say that one day it will figure out that the best way to infect humans is by airborne transmission and mutate.

You're all going to wake up one day to the news that it IS airborne and I guarantee you that you'll

be the first one's screaming at the top of your lungs that you refuse to treat an ebola patient.

And, I can guarantee you that I WILL treat an Ebola patient. Sheesh. I frigging give up!

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
And, I can guarantee you that I WILL treat an Ebola patient. Sheesh. I frigging give up!

It's ok...I'll be one who will have my mask and enforcing the precautions to the letter and will be taking care of them too; they need nursing care; it's going to happen; I'll be prepared, and I'm sure there will be others.

Specializes in L&D, Women's Health.
It's ok...I'll be one who will have my mask and enforcing the precautions to the letter and will be taking care of them too; they need nursing care; it's going to happen; I'll be prepared, and I'm sure there will be others.

THanks!! Like I've said, I've never been so disappointed and embarrassed, actually, since we do have non-medical readers seeing how we professionals respond to a crisis. Certainly appreciate all those statistical analysis and research courses especially now! It's quite reassuring to understand what research is and is not saying about Ebola. :)

Specializes in ER.
Specializes in ER.
THanks!! Like I've said, I've never been so disappointed and embarrassed, actually, since we do have non-medical readers seeing how we professionals respond to a crisis. Certainly appreciate all those statistical analysis and research courses especially now! It's quite reassuring to understand what research is and is not saying about Ebola. :)

Like I've posted, there's really such a divide. Seems that some people don't even want to consider that they may be wrong. That is unfortunate, especially if you are a healthcare professional. Knowing that you may, in fact, be incorrect, and to consider other options.

I am glad that there are those who are so sure they'd take care of an Ebola patient in their ER (or floor).

If you are disappointed or embarrassed about others' views, it reflects more on yours than ours.

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