No worries USA. Only healthcare workers will be exposed to ebola.

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Last night I read that the CDC is planning to transport at least one American Citizen with the ebola virus to Atlanta for treatment. Driving around today my car radio kept assaulting me with experts soothingly asserting that there is no reason for the American population to fear exposure to the virus. To a man they all went on to say that only healthcare workers were likely to be exposed.

If you're a healthcare worker raise your hand. Are you angry? Do you feel like you're being considered expendable? Less than fully human? Are you worried?

I don't favor deliberately bringing ANY known infected person across the ocean to this continent. OK, Ebola is not all that easy to contract. It's a lot harder to contract if it is thousands of miles away.

The virus is spread by contact with infected body fluids. So lets say a nurses aid in a hospital comes in contact with those body fluids (diarrhea, emesis, blood, whatever. Accidents happen even if you take precautions.) What is to stop her from spreading the virus to her husband or child? What is to stop a child infected in this way from spreading it within his classroom?

I have always been able to deal with the concept of ebola by reminding myself that it exists on another continent. Perhaps I'm being selfish, but I believe that anyone sickened in Africa should be treated in Africa. We don't need to help diseases spread around the globe any more than we already do.

NIMBY. In this case, NIMBY. I'm not a NIMBY kind of girl, but this terrifies me.

What do you think? What would you do if you were assigned a patient know to be infected with Ebola?

A doctor in a facility I was working in the other day said that if it were her, they best be bringing her back here for treatment. I think that is extremely selfish!

The health of our country's population as a whole is more important than the health of an individual.

Interesting point... So this MD you're talking about is selfless enough to go help dying people in a third world country, but would selfishly expect to be brought back with Ebola and risk the health of millions?

I'm not judging him/her, nor am I inferring that they are wrong in any way

Just wondering if I am understanding correctly

Specializes in Emergency, Telemetry, Transplant.

"Freaking out about Ebola in the U.S. while antibiotic resistant superbugs rampage in our hospitals is like fearing Freddy Kruger will ring the doorbell while Jeffrey Dahmer sits at your dining room table.

The truth is, the people most at risk are caregivers and medical professionals in contact with infected individuals. My rational brain knows that. The rest of my brain is planning on barricading the front door with 2x4s.

and especially:

The good news amid all this almost cinematic potential for disaster is this little nugget of information: Ebola can be killed by hand washing.

I particularly liked "can Tylenol help an Ebola headache?"

Specializes in L&D, Women's Health.

In general, not addressing anyone . . . There is not ONE past OR current research study proving or even hinting (excluding cross animal contamination where variables were not controlled) that Ebola is airborne, NOT ONE. Some posts have links to articles referring to the POSSIBILITY (and even those are 10+ years old) of airborne transmission. If it were truly airborne, use your common NURSING sense, everyone in Africa would be sick by now. To say "gee, we just don't know", "who can trust CDC", "we're not being told everything" (yeah, like they would really want to hide something so you can help spread it more, ***) . . . I don't know. I am really disappointed, and somewhat surprised, in the lack of critical thinking. We are professionals. Please! I can understand being fearful of Ebola in US, but that is no reason to let our critical thinking become cloudy. Simply because people self-isolate because they're not sure if they've been exposed or not because they were somewhere near one of the outbreak countries, doesn't mean Ebola is spreading. Oh, well. I guess time will tell. You will be isolated in your home with your loved ones, which is fine with me, and I'll be at the hospital.

In general, not addressing anyone . . . There is not ONE past OR current research study proving or even hinting (excluding cross animal contamination where variables were not controlled) that Ebola is airborne, NOT ONE. Some posts have links to articles referring to the POSSIBILITY (and even those are 10+ years old) of airborne transmission. If it were truly airborne, use your common NURSING sense, everyone in Africa would be sick by now. To say "gee, we just don't know", "who can trust CDC", "we're not being told everything" (yeah, like they would really want to hide something so you can help spread it more, ***) . . . I don't know. I am really disappointed, and somewhat surprised, in the lack of critical thinking. We are professionals. Please! I can understand being fearful of Ebola in US, but that is no reason to let our critical thinking become cloudy. Simply because people self-isolate because they're not sure if they've been exposed or not because they were somewhere near one of the outbreak countries, doesn't mean Ebola is spreading. Oh, well. I guess time will tell. You will be isolated in your home with your loved ones, which is fine with me, and I'll be at the hospital.

Virus's by nature are constantly adapting and changing. I see no lack of "critical thinking" in anyone's part by wondering if the disease is mutating to become airborne.... Especially given the fact that two KNOWLEDGABLE healthcare professionals contracted this disease despite using proper precautions.

Specializes in Pedi.
In general, not addressing anyone . . . There is not ONE past OR current research study proving or even hinting (excluding cross animal contamination where variables were not controlled) that Ebola is airborne, NOT ONE. Some posts have links to articles referring to the POSSIBILITY (and even those are 10+ years old) of airborne transmission. If it were truly airborne, use your common NURSING sense, everyone in Africa would be sick by now. To say "gee, we just don't know", "who can trust CDC", "we're not being told everything" (yeah, like they would really want to hide something so you can help spread it more, ***) . . . I don't know. I am really disappointed, and somewhat surprised, in the lack of critical thinking. We are professionals. Please! I can understand being fearful of Ebola in US, but that is no reason to let our critical thinking become cloudy. Simply because people self-isolate because they're not sure if they've been exposed or not because they were somewhere near one of the outbreak countries, doesn't mean Ebola is spreading. Oh, well. I guess time will tell. You will be isolated in your home with your loved ones, which is fine with me, and I'll be at the hospital.

I, too, am disappointed in the response of some educated professionals. Ebola is not airborne:

Study Confirms That Ebola Is Not Transmitted Through The Air | IFLScience

In general, not addressing anyone . . . There is not ONE past OR current research study proving or even hinting (excluding cross animal contamination where variables were not controlled) that Ebola is airborne, NOT ONE. Some posts have links to articles referring to the POSSIBILITY (and even those are 10+ years old) of airborne transmission. If it were truly airborne, use your common NURSING sense, everyone in Africa would be sick by now. To say "gee, we just don't know", "who can trust CDC", "we're not being told everything" (yeah, like they would really want to hide something so you can help spread it more, ***) . . . I don't know. I am really disappointed, and somewhat surprised, in the lack of critical thinking. We are professionals. Please! I can understand being fearful of Ebola in US, but that is no reason to let our critical thinking become cloudy. Simply because people self-isolate because they're not sure if they've been exposed or not because they were somewhere near one of the outbreak countries, doesn't mean Ebola is spreading. Oh, well. I guess time will tell. You will be isolated in your home with your loved ones, which is fine with me, and I'll be at the hospital.

I love your entire post. If I could give it a thousand likes I would.

I am really disappointed, and somewhat surprised, in the lack of critical thinking. We are professionals. Please!

THIS. I’ve been following the two threads on the Ebola virus with an increasing feeling of frustration and bewilderment.

Specializes in Hospice.
Virus's by nature are constantly adapting and changing. I see no lack of "critical thinking" in anyone's part by wondering if the disease is mutating to become airborne.... Especially given the fact that two KNOWLEDGABLE healthcare professionals contracted this disease despite using proper precautions.

But that's what I'm asking - how do you know that their precautions weren't actually effective if you don't know the source of their respective infections? They could have been exposed outside the care setting. Unless, of course they used PPE at all times and not just while in contact with known victims.

I'll say it again, it's the cases you don't know about that'll kill you. Getting all het up over caregivers getting infected "in spite of PPE and precautions" assumes that their patients are the only potential source of infection. A total waste of time and energy - not to mention irresponsible.

There's a lot we don't know about Ebola - let's at least refrain from muddying the waters with a lot of non-info and fear-mongering.

To quote myself, I trust the nurses beside me to make the decisions that work best for their own lives. So will I if and when the question comes up.

To me, critical thinking means not just accepting blindly what I am being told to believe. I am a skeptic. I question everything. "Oh, well the CDC says ________ so it must be true" is just not in my nature.

Virus's by nature are constantly adapting and changing. I see no lack of "critical thinking" in anyone's part by wondering if the disease is mutating to become airborne.... Especially given the fact that two KNOWLEDGABLE healthcare professionals contracted this disease despite using proper precautions.

IMO the delusional ones are the people who keep harping on it not being airborne or becoming airborne. Viruses adapt to their host and whose to say that one day it will figure out that the best way to infect humans is by airborne transmission and mutate.

You're all going to wake up one day to the news that it IS airborne and I guarantee you that you'll

be the first one's screaming at the top of your lungs that you refuse to treat an ebola patient.

Reston is a mutation of Ebola that was discovered in Reston, Virginia in 1990. It is generally regarded as a strain of the virus that is not dangerous to humans. However, it is proof of the possibility of mutation.
Specializes in Critical Care.
In general, not addressing anyone . . . There is not ONE past OR current research study proving or even hinting (excluding cross animal contamination where variables were not controlled) that Ebola is airborne, NOT ONE. Some posts have links to articles referring to the POSSIBILITY (and even those are 10+ years old) of airborne transmission. If it were truly airborne, use your common NURSING sense, everyone in Africa would be sick by now. To say "gee, we just don't know", "who can trust CDC", "we're not being told everything" (yeah, like they would really want to hide something so you can help spread it more, ***) . . . I don't know. I am really disappointed, and somewhat surprised, in the lack of critical thinking. We are professionals. Please! I can understand being fearful of Ebola in US, but that is no reason to let our critical thinking become cloudy. Simply because people self-isolate because they're not sure if they've been exposed or not because they were somewhere near one of the outbreak countries, doesn't mean Ebola is spreading. Oh, well. I guess time will tell. You will be isolated in your home with your loved ones, which is fine with me, and I'll be at the hospital.

It appears to be very deadly and contagious to the healthcare workers in spite of supposedly not being airborne. Regardless if it is or not, healthcare workers are being infected and dying from it! I'm tired of people trying to downplay the risks involved. Healthcare workers aren't dying for no reason!

Honestly, I don't expect an immediate Ebola-plague-epidemic to wipe out half of the U.S. I think this will have repercussions later on down the line, like twenty years from now when we find out that they knew it was airborne all along, and it somehow escapes containment and everyone will be all shocked that we were lied to (again).

No, I think it'll be kept well contained in the present and near future. The real threat right now is to Nigeria. If an epidemic is sparked there, lots and lots of people will suffer and die. :-(

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