No worries USA. Only healthcare workers will be exposed to ebola.

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Last night I read that the CDC is planning to transport at least one American Citizen with the ebola virus to Atlanta for treatment. Driving around today my car radio kept assaulting me with experts soothingly asserting that there is no reason for the American population to fear exposure to the virus. To a man they all went on to say that only healthcare workers were likely to be exposed.

If you're a healthcare worker raise your hand. Are you angry? Do you feel like you're being considered expendable? Less than fully human? Are you worried?

I don't favor deliberately bringing ANY known infected person across the ocean to this continent. OK, Ebola is not all that easy to contract. It's a lot harder to contract if it is thousands of miles away.

The virus is spread by contact with infected body fluids. So lets say a nurses aid in a hospital comes in contact with those body fluids (diarrhea, emesis, blood, whatever. Accidents happen even if you take precautions.) What is to stop her from spreading the virus to her husband or child? What is to stop a child infected in this way from spreading it within his classroom?

I have always been able to deal with the concept of ebola by reminding myself that it exists on another continent. Perhaps I'm being selfish, but I believe that anyone sickened in Africa should be treated in Africa. We don't need to help diseases spread around the globe any more than we already do.

NIMBY. In this case, NIMBY. I'm not a NIMBY kind of girl, but this terrifies me.

What do you think? What would you do if you were assigned a patient know to be infected with Ebola?

Specializes in Emergency, Telemetry, Transplant.
At my old job the LPN would wear her gloves up and down the hall and ALWAYS claim she just put them on.

Who else is out there with symptoms and using public bathrooms and maybe a little messy with their hygiene?

I have seen breaches of isolation/infection control protocols in every nursing job that I have had, whether it be not wearing a gown in the room of a MRSA pt, to wearing gloves in the hall, to not using proper hand hygiene when leaving a room. I would venture to say, however, that the isolation procedures in place on this unit an Emory are a whole lot more strict than there are on, say, a "standard" telemetry unit.

As for the pubic bathroom issue--what does this have to do with bringing an Ebola pt to Atlanta for treatment. At that point, if someone in a public bathroom has Ebola, it is because they brought it back from Africa or the had contact with someone who came back from Africa. Also, this applies to basically every infections disease. At the Grocery store you can be in line with someone who has MRSA...or Tb...or C diff.

Specializes in L&D, Women's Health.
Stating as fact that Ebola is not transmitted by air is not true. It is the media hype. If you are to read outside of the mainstream media, you would see that there are GENUINE concerns for the rest of us. As an ER nurse, a flight nurse, and one who spends a considerable time doing commercial travel, I am concerned about a great many things coming into this country, and why I travel with a mask. Multiple N95 masks in my carry on bag now.

As a medic I have been shot at, assaulted and on one occasion, held hostage by a patient. As an ER nurse I have been verbally assaulted thousands of times, had exposures to pertussis six times in ONE YEAR, and been exposed to active TB, all in the name of "helping people." Trust me when I say, I did not sign up for many of those things! Whatever you think my motives are, I have risked my life many times, for abysmal pay, in very dangerous situations, and I wasn't a combat medic. I don't want to die a horrible death because our government is careless or doesn't tell us the whole story.

How wonderful that so many of you are willing to lay your life down for your patients. I'm betting you have never actually had those people try to kill you while you tried to care for them. I agree with other posters who do not apologize for not wanting to put their families and loved ones at risk either. You poo-poo AIDS now, but there was a time there was no treatment whatsoever except to put those patients in isolation and have them die. Ever get a needle stick? Those nurses are TERRIFIED for weeks and months, even while they get preventative treatment for AIDS, and that is in 2014. And those pills make them terribly, violently ill. So please, don't discount our legitimate fears about something that has no known treatment and no known cure, and is 80% fatal, even now.

Here is an article about the CDC's concerns that they aren't sharing with the public:

» CDC Concerned About Airborne Transmission of Ebola Virus Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Someone has brought the original recommendations (unedited with the writer's spin) on the other thread, I think. It's been discussed that Ebola is in saliva and, therefore, can be in droplets; hence, put a mask on someone coughing, sneezing, even talking if they have symptoms. (That's something I wish everyone would do even if they just have the common cold!) Second, it makes sense that you would not use compressed air to splatter the droplets all over the place in cleaning. Droplet transmission is NOT airborne. The study about air transmission from pigs to monkeys has also been picked apart . . . statistical control of variables and all.

I personally have no problem with any one refusing to care for a pt with Ebola. But, as with the introduction of AIDS, about which we knew MUCH less than Ebola, there are nurses willing to care for such patients. And as I've said before, I'm extremely grateful for that because, who knows, one day I, or my loved ones, may need their care. And because of that (and a few other reasons), I would be more than willing to care for such a patient.

Specializes in L&D, Women's Health.
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Here is an article about the CDC's concerns that they aren't sharing with the public:

» CDC Concerned About Airborne Transmission of Ebola Virus Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

And, to counter this article, here's another one that I posted on the other thread:

This is so funny (and informative):

The Paranoid Hypochondriac's Guide to the Ebola Outbreak

I especially liked these comments:

"Freaking out about Ebola in the U.S. while antibiotic resistant superbugs rampage in our hospitals is like fearing Freddy Kruger will ring the doorbell while Jeffrey Dahmer sits at your dining room table.

The truth is, the people most at risk are caregivers and medical professionals in contact with infected individuals. My rational brain knows that. The rest of my brain is planning on barricading the front door with 2x4s.

and especially:

The good news amid all this almost cinematic potential for disaster is this little nugget of information: Ebola can be killed by hand washing.

I agree with you 110%!!!! There is/was NO reason whatsoever for anyone with Ebola, healthcare worker or not, to be transported back to the US for treatment! They have knowingly brought this hemorrhagic fever to our land, our home! If someone wants to volunteer in Africa, then that is up to them. However, they know the risk before going. But now it's here. I don't care how great of an isolation facility Emory has, it is still too close for comfort! They could have sent more help over there instead of bringing the doctor here. A doctor in a facility I was working in the other day said that if it were her, they best be bringing her back here for treatment. I think that is extremely selfish! Like I said, the volunteers know the risk before they go. With that risk should also come the responsibility of NOT bringing it back to the state's knowingly! While I admire those that feel called to go assist with the outbreak in Africa, I do not think that under any circumstance they should have brought anyone here to be treated. Like you said, mistakes & accidents happen in the healthcare environment, DAILY!!! Who's to say even the doctor's or nurses treating the patient can't contract it, regardless of the amount of protective gear they have on? I pray that they can keep it contained! I also pray that the people that made this decision will make better decision's in our future. The overall health of our country should come first and foremost, especially over the health of one or two individuals that knew the risk of contracting this horrible disease before volunteering to go to another country to help. I do not mean to sound hardhearted or cold, and insensitive because God know's I am not! If it was my mother, my child, or myself, I would feel the same way. The health of our country's population as a whole is more important than the health of an individual.

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
I agree with you 110%!!!! There is/was NO reason whatsoever for anyone with Ebola, healthcare worker or not, to be transported back to the US for treatment! They have knowingly brought this hemorrhagic fever to our land, our home! If someone wants to volunteer in Africa, then that is up to them. However, they know the risk before going. But now it's here. I don't care how great of an isolation facility Emory has, it is still too close for comfort! They could have sent more help over there instead of bringing the doctor here. A doctor in a facility I was working in the other day said that if it were her, they best be bringing her back here for treatment. I think that is extremely selfish! Like I said, the volunteers know the risk before they go. With that risk should also come the responsibility of NOT bringing it back to the state's knowingly! While I admire those that feel called to go assist with the outbreak in Africa, I do not think that under any circumstance they should have brought anyone here to be treated. Like you said, mistakes & accidents happen in the healthcare environment, DAILY!!! Who's to say even the doctor's or nurses treating the patient can't contract it, regardless of the amount of protective gear they have on? I pray that they can keep it contained! I also pray that the people that made this decision will make better decision's in our future. The overall health of our country should come first and foremost, especially over the health of one or two individuals that knew the risk of contracting this horrible disease before volunteering to go to another country to help. I do not mean to sound hardhearted or cold, and insensitive because God know's I am not! If it was my mother, my child, or myself, I would feel the same way. The health of our country's population as a whole is more important than the health of an individual.

Just wanted to put it out there that there are other bacterias out here in the US that cause hemorrhagic fever; not just Ebola.; they are found in mice, and in ticks as well as mosquitoes; the most exotic, excluding Ebola. such as yellow fever, has been found in the US, however the incidence is low; these bacterias and virus's were covered in my studies in microbiology class, but here's info in case you are interested:

http://www.medicinenet.com/viral_hemorrhagic_fever/article.htm

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
Just wanted to put it out there that there are other bacterias out here in the US that cause hemorrhagic fever; not just Ebola.; they are found in mice, and in ticks as well as mosquitoes; the most exotic, excluding Ebola. such as yellow fever, has been found in the US, however the incidence is low; these bacterias and virus's were covered in my studies in microbiology class, but here's info in case you are interested:

http://www.medicinenet.com/viral_hemorrhagic_fever/article.htm

To add: there are more vectors here that can cause a hemorrhagic fever that anyone can be susceptible to than Ebola...just sayin'

I find it interesting that Dr. Brantly was meticulous with his PPE and yet still he was infected, and that Nancy Writebol didn't actually provide any patient care, and yet she became infected.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Ortho, ASC.
I find it interesting that Dr. Brantly was meticulous with his PPE and yet still he was infected, and that Nancy Writebol didn't actually provide any patient care, and yet she became infected.

Assuming that you obtained those details from the media, I don't trust the media as far as I can throw them (maybe an inch). Every day, it seems, some "fact" reported the day or week before is discounted. How would anyone know how "meticulous" Dr. Brantly was?

Assuming that you obtained those details from the media, I don't trust the media as far as I can throw them (maybe an inch). Every day, it seems, some "fact" reported the day or week before is discounted. How would anyone know how "meticulous" Dr. Brantly was?

NPR quoted Samaritan's Purse spokesperson Melissa Strickland stating that Dr. Brantly followed strict protocols and that "It would take at least thirty minutes to get that suit on properly". Also, Associated Press and Reuters reports contain frequent references to how meticulous Dr. Brantly was.

A joint CBS/CNN Newswire report states that Nancy Writebol:

...was working as the personnel coordinator, helping SIM missionaries entering the country. She also served as a certified nursing assistant. Her duties at the clinic included disinfecting doctors and nurses entering or leaving the Ebola treatment area. Her husband was the technical services manager at the same facility. Nancy was diagnosed with Ebola on July 25, 2014.

I.E. she was a paper pusher who helped with disinfection sometimes, but she didn't provide direct patient care.

I have a healthy distrust of "the media" as well, which is why I take my information from reputable news sources, not fringe websites that like to sensationalize everything. Does that mean I think even reputable news sources are above reproach? No, but they are certainly more trustworthy than most fringe websites, like the Turner Radio Network and their ilk.

...and honestly, I think there is probably a lot more that we're not even told.

Specializes in Hospice.

How do we know that the two people caught the virus from their patients?

Specializes in ER.
How do we know that the two people caught the virus from their patients?

How do we know anything? We only know what we're being told. I wonder what we're NOT being told?

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