Published Jun 16, 2015
ccer99
15 Posts
Hello all,
Questions for you... is everyone still doing fingerstick blood sugars in their ICU? As of yesterday we are no longer allowed to. We can either draw off a central line or PICC, or we have to use a butterfly to get a sample (we can choose arterial or venous sample in our accucheck). Our director says that there has been a ton of research that shows there have been many incidents/deaths because of inaccurate readings, and soon this will be mandated. I believe this is mainly in grossly edematous patients, as the serous fluid you get in the fingerstick does not contain the same glucose as the blood. (new grad here, so if my though process is wrong let me know!) I asked to see the research and haven't gotten anything yet. Just curious if this is only us, or if anyone else is doing the same. My concerns are BSI's going up due to frequent access of lines, or even needle sticks increasing. Plus, what about the DKA patient who has no line and needs 1hr glucose checks? They are going to get stuck an awful lot. Or what about the patients that get downgraded and are still very edematous, this protocol change is only in ICU..their fingerstick will be still be inaccurate regardless of what floor they are on. I want to do best for my patient, just curious if anyone else has gone this route. Thanks!
Sun0408, ASN, RN
1,761 Posts
We aren't doing that, however, if the result is too low or too high we have to get a lab draw to confirm before we treat.
runsalot
339 Posts
Our protocol is changing just for PTs on pressors
Swellz
746 Posts
We have the same policy on my floor. I just SMILE and say, "It's that time again!" when they're q1 hour.
MunoRN, RN
8,058 Posts
I'd be curious what the "ton of research" is, I'm not aware of any at all that shows finger-sticks should not be used in the ICU. Glucometers use the amount of hemoglobin present in a sample to calculate the blood glucose, so it really doesn't make much of a difference if they have edematous fingers. There has been a trend recently though to use samples off of lines less as they can be inaccurate and present a source of infection, which would contradict the practice change where you work.
Regardless of the source, glucometers as well as samples sent to a central lab have a margin of error and this is where the "ton of research" lies; goal ranges should be higher than they were in the past, they should be approx 110-180. In other words, the research that's out there say it's the goal range that matters, where you get the sample from doesn't really matter, but fingersticks are preferred.
scottaprn
292 Posts
The reference list for this article is a good place to start.
Bad Request
Though the article is about an ESRD the discussion of the limits of glucometers is very solid. In particular sources 8-14 are worth reading. They are listed below.
core0
1,831 Posts
Hello all, Questions for you... is everyone still doing fingerstick blood sugars in their ICU? As of yesterday we are no longer allowed to. We can either draw off a central line or PICC, or we have to use a butterfly to get a sample (we can choose arterial or venous sample in our accucheck). Our director says that there has been a ton of research that shows there have been many incidents/deaths because of inaccurate readings, and soon this will be mandated. I believe this is mainly in grossly edematous patients, as the serous fluid you get in the fingerstick does not contain the same glucose as the blood. (new grad here, so if my though process is wrong let me know!) I asked to see the research and haven't gotten anything yet. Just curious if this is only us, or if anyone else is doing the same. My concerns are BSI's going up due to frequent access of lines, or even needle sticks increasing. Plus, what about the DKA patient who has no line and needs 1hr glucose checks? They are going to get stuck an awful lot. Or what about the patients that get downgraded and are still very edematous, this protocol change is only in ICU..their fingerstick will be still be inaccurate regardless of what floor they are on. I want to do best for my patient, just curious if anyone else has gone this route. Thanks!
Dumb rule. There is a lot of confusion on this. The FDA correctly pointed out that POC glucometers have not been tested in critically ill patients. They proposed a rule that basically took POC glucometers outside of the CLIA waiver process. It would mean that hospitals would have to jump though a lot of hoops to use glucometers in the ICU. This lead the Joint Commission to adopt the proposed rule as their rule. After the outcry over this, the FDA withdrew their proposed rule. Their is currently a group from the critical care societies looking at this. In the meantime most hospitals continue to use POC glucometers.
Part of the problem is the FDA never defined critically ill. Critical illness is a spectrum and some critically ill patients will have changes in capillary glucose and some won't.
There is one POC glucometer that is FDA approved for critically ill patient and most of the major manufacturers are doing the clinical trials now so I would expect this to be a non issue by the end of the year.
The real issue is not POC glucometers, but that we need to be more aware of glucose control in critically ill patients.
This article sums up the points pretty well.
Glucose Testing in Hospital Environments
Nalon1 RN/EMT-P, BSN, RN
766 Posts
Thanks for the input! I haven't found any research and when I asked again all I got was FDA white papers...going to be mandated soon...and no research lol. When I have a day off I'm going to look around some more. I'll definitely look more into goal ranges etc, thanks again :)
Thank you again for all the info and articles, I appreciate the input and knowledge. Looks like I have a lot of reading to do :)
Here.I.Stand, BSN, RN
5,047 Posts
We do line draws for pts on therapeutic hypothermia, and per our discretion if the pt's fingers appear vasoconstricted (cold, cyanotic). Or if a pt is verbal and refuses fingersticks (I've had pts say "they said I wouldn't need to be poked if I got this line, so I'm not getting poked.")
Otherwise, the concern about CLABSI is quite prevalent in my ICU.
VANurse2010
1,526 Posts
This policy change seems like an excellent way to have more central line infections. Strong work, folks.