Due to recent changes regarding applications for International nurses to Australia and the combining of the nursing boards to one central nursing board in Australia AHPRA I have started a new thread for people to discuss the new process on working in Australia.
Currently New Zealand is not accepting new applicants from International trained nurses except those that meet the Trans Tasman Mutual Recognition Agreement {TTMR} this will be updated once the New Zealand nursing board reopen their books to International nurses.
Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency AHPRA
Having no work experience as an RN is not going to get you a job any easier being in Australia. What if you do not have work rights after student visa,? Do not work as kitchenhand or cleaner and not have a visa that allows you to work. Immigration is watching. You need to have 7 in IELTS in one sitting.
I have perseverance, many people have perseverance, but I still need to work within boundries of the law and society.
Who says it's easy to find work here? Nothing's easy especially for me. But it is also true that some did get a job even if they don't have experience. And nobody said to work without the "work rights". I just said students have the option to get a job as long as they're not choosy like being a cleaner or kitchenhand. Of course one needs 7 in IELTS to get registered. I don't understand why you're pertaining like I am encouraging everyone to act against the law.
That's why I'm asking for help on how to extend my visa because I want to stay here legally. However tourist visa is not my option because I need to work. ELICOS visa will put me at risk for no further stay condition. And I can't afford to go home. So I'm wondering if there's a better visa option. I think I'm clear about that.
'kenco' failed the OET and 'mummuytummy' failed the IELTS. These are some examples of native English speakers who failed. I'm sure they lived in the UK for more than a year. There was a Nursing Times journal (a UK magazine for nurses) early 2000 which showed a survey of English nurses who took the IELTS exam. I can't remember if it was a sample of 100 or more but of the total examines only 51% passed the first time. It must be a surprise to you that native English speakers can also dread and fail the IELTS. So please enlighten us. Where did you get the idea that if you live, speak, and breathe English while in Australia that it would not be difficult to pass the IELTS?
Your statement also read "THAT SHOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT AT ALL if you are studying in Australia for 12 months". In the same paragraph you also wrote "IELTS IS NOT EASY". You wrote that IELTS will not be difficult at all if you study in Australia for 12 months. You only need to assimilate in the community, speak and breathe English because IELTS is not easy?
Your suggestion now is that if you fail the IELTS in the Philippines then you should also enrol in English classes upon arrival in Australia? FYI, the girl was not my friend, only another disillusioned Filipino nurse who did not get their IELTS sorted before coming to Australia and now work as Carers and domestic cleaners instead of registered nurses.
'frenchfries' question was what if he/she fails the IELTS after doing the course in Australia and before registering with AHPRA - ANSWER - sit the test again. ADVICE - take the IELTS before you leave the Philippines.
Hey guysss take it easy...
I think what bigguest just wanted to tell us is that there is a BIG possibility that we will improve our english if we live in an ENGLISH speaking country like australia.. Besides, what my review center always tells us is that the best form of education is IMMERSION.. By staying in an english speakig country, we get to internalize the language and become fully exposed to it and easily master its nuances..
Indeed ielts is not easy.. Even native speakers fail because there are a lot of factors to consider.. Grammars to name a few and suchlike.. The writing test is not a walk in the park.. Even speakig test, it's hard too.. One needs to have substance.. One needs to be opinionated.. One needs to have an idea about the world, society and anything under the sun.. But im not saying ielts is testing us about our knowledge.. What i mean is you need to have IDEAS, and heaps of them, to be able to fully express yourself correctly and fluenty..
There's really no point arguing here.. Afterall we all have the same desires.... Cheers! :)
'kenco' failed the oet and 'mummuytummy' failed the ielts. these are some examples of native english speakers who failed. i'm sure they lived in the uk for more than a year. there was a nursing times journal (a uk magazine for nurses) early 2000 which showed a survey of english nurses who took the ielts exam. i can't remember if it was a sample of 100 or more but of the total examines only 51% passed the first time. it must be a surprise to you that native english speakers can also dread and fail the ielts. so please enlighten us. where did you get the idea that if you live, speak, and breathe english while in australia that it would not be difficult to pass the ielts?
your statement also read "that should not be difficult at all if you are studying in australia for 12 months". in the same paragraph you also wrote "ielts is not easy". you wrote that ielts will not be difficult at all if you study in australia for 12 months. you only need to assimilate in the community, speak and breathe english because ielts is not easy?
your suggestion now is that if you fail the ielts in the philippines then you should also enrol in english classes upon arrival in australia? fyi, the girl was not my friend, only another disillusioned filipino nurse who did not get their ielts sorted before coming to australia and now work as carers and domestic cleaners instead of registered nurse
so kenco and mummuytummy failed the ielts test. that’s a total of 2 posts in a thread containing a grand total of 9 posts . big deal.
as for native english speakers in general failing i’m not surprised, they were probably given the test without any opportunity for preparation. i am a native english speaker, i lived in england for 27 years, i doubt i would pass the ielts test. but if i prepared for ielts test then i am certain i would pass. i am now an australian citizen, but i doubt i would pass the australian citizenship test that has recently been introduced. but i am sure that i would pass it if i studied and prepared for it beforehand.
similarly, ielts has its own characteristic format and style that requires preparation and training in order to pass, hence the review classes (where you are not just learning english, but also learning how to handle the peculiarities of the ielts test - am i right ?).
and i most certainly did not suggest that "if you fail your ielts test in the philippines then you should enrol in english classes upon arrival". what i suggested was that if you do a conversion course with ielts 6.5 then you definitely need to make it a 7, and if it were myself i would make it a prioity to get ielts 7. what i implied about your acquaintance was that perhaps she did too little too late...you originally said that having completed her course she could not register and is working as a carer, and has "now enrolled in english classes in the hope of passing her ielts": well excuse me but that's a somewhat belated effort.
however, in view of the posts from others that have followed more recently, i do apologise if i appear to have given poor advice regarding upgrading ielts from 6.5 to 7 whilst doing a conversion course. it's not a one size fits all situation.
i just think that if i myself were in such a situation where i could do a conversion course having attained ielts 6.5, then i would grab that opportunity with both hands; however, i would make it a priority to attain ielts 7 at the earliest opportunity. i would do the online ielts courses and practice tests, in addition to extracting the most from my english speaking environment, and any english tuition or class courses, whatever it would take. but that's just me. an important factor is your own determination, and your being aware of what needs to be done and when.
everyone is different, and must make their own choice depending on their own personal ability,situation. if you do not have much aptitude (or confidence) for learning english then yes you might be better off doing ielts review classes in the philippines to get a 7 first.
I think what bigguest just wanted to tell us is that there is a BIG possibility that we will improve our english if we live in an ENGLISH speaking country like australia.. Besides, what my review center always tells us is that the best form of education is IMMERSION.. By staying in an english speakig country, we get to internalize the language and become fully exposed to it and easily master its nuances.. :)
To those who wants to go to Australia to study. It is a much wiser decision to get IELTS 7 first before going overseas. It will lessen your burden after you graduate. Believe me.
Now for those who want to get IELTS 7 while studying the conversion course, it is alright as long as you find work immediately. Find find find find a job! I am pressuring you, find a job! IELTS is worth 330 AUD. And I advice you to take IELTS early but make sure that you're confident enough to take it. What I meant is practice a lot if you are not that fluent in English. Know your weakness. Most takers get a low score in writing and reading. Now if you fail, then you have the entire year to take it again and again and again and you have a job to help you for the funds.
The usual dilemma of students who are graduating this year is the IELTS. We did conversion course and we had our chance to take IELTS earlier but we didn't. Instead we took it in 2-3 months before graduation. And surprise surprise most of us didn't get the IELTS 7 band! Now majority of us are worrying about how to extend our visa just for the sake of IELTS. We are supposed to concentrate for our registration and passing the papers, but now we have to think of more moolah for our stay here.
Don't follow us. Be wise. Either take the IELTS before going to Australia, or take it early while studying here. You choose.
@wingcharm
How about trying for another student visa? This Filipino girl applied for another student visa and is currently studying English and working part time as a Carer. Thank you for the input. I hope readers of this thread will take that on board.
Sorry, had to add this in..... Are you sure you have assimilated into the Australian community, spoke, lived and breathed English while you and your classmates were doing your 12 months or so conversion course? 'bigguest' said taking the IELTS should not have been difficult at all.
I think what bigguest just wanted to tell us is that there is a BIG possibility that we will improve our english if we live in an ENGLISH speaking country like australia.. Besides, what my review center always tells us is that the best form of education is IMMERSION.. By staying in an english speakig country, we get to internalize the language and become fully exposed to it and easily master its nuances..
Indeed ielts is not easy.. Even native speakers fail because there are a lot of factors to consider.. Grammars to name a few and suchlike.. The writing test is not a walk in the park.. Even speakig test, it's hard too.. One needs to have substance.. One needs to be opinionated.. One needs to have an idea about the world, society and anything under the sun.. But im not saying ielts is testing us about our knowledge.. What i mean is you need to have IDEAS, and heaps of them, to be able to fully express yourself correctly and fluenty..
There's really no point arguing here.. Afterall we all have the same desires.... Cheers! :)
I hope you read what 'wingcharm' wrote.
He is in a conversion program. That is a 12 or 18 month course. All that time he would have IMMERSED himself here in Australia.
Note that he used 'WE' and not 'I' when he said they did not get the band 7 score.
You yourself said that even native (English) speakers fail so how is it there's a BIG possibility that you will improve your English once you live in an English speaking country for IELTS purposes?
hello there! =) I think that applies to any school as well. but i'm just interested to know where does IHNA usually send out their students for the clinicals? i.e. aaon sends most in sydney for the clinicals =) where are they now if i may ask, these 2 people you know?
They had their clinicals in Temora. I checked our previous correspondence and these are the other places IHNA seems to send their students off for clinical placement: Cootamundra, Tumbarumba.
Can we please leave the discussion there.Name calling is not in the terms of service.We are in a profession that invites discussion rigor and respect of each othets lived experience this discussion is now moot.
for those already in Australia and used a 456 visa, can i book a plane ticket one way? or should i have a return flight? tnx
I could only speak from my experience. I came from the Philippines and had to purchase a return flight as well to ensure no hassles from the immigration counter at the international departure.
They had their clinicals in Temora. I checked our previous correspondence and these are the other places IHNA seems to send their students off for clinical placement: Cootamundra, Tumbarumba.
oh, they're all in NSW! i see. i hope there are ok accommodations within the vicinity.
btw, where are you now? have you attended the BP recently? any tips? :) thanks
oh, they're all in NSW! i see. i hope there are ok accommodations within the vicinity.
btw, where are you now? have you attended the BP recently? any tips? :) thanks
Yes, the back of beyond as we say!! about 5 -6 hours from Sydney. I would hope they are providing some sort of accommodation as it would get pricey at the local pub or motel. I got the impression from one nurse that they are providing homestay accommodation at these places.
wingcharm
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Who says it's easy to find work here? Nothing's easy especially for me. But it is also true that some did get a job even if they don't have experience. And nobody said to work without the "work rights". I just said students have the option to get a job as long as they're not choosy like being a cleaner or kitchenhand. Of course one needs 7 in IELTS to get registered. I don't understand why you're pertaining like I am encouraging everyone to act against the law.
That's why I'm asking for help on how to extend my visa because I want to stay here legally. However tourist visa is not my option because I need to work. ELICOS visa will put me at risk for no further stay condition. And I can't afford to go home. So I'm wondering if there's a better visa option. I think I'm clear about that.