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Need Advice! CA BRN Will Not Accept My WGU Advanced Pharm Classes!

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Specializes in FNP-C, NICU RN. Has 6 years experience.

I am a new graduate FNP in California with 6 years of RN critical care experience. I earned my BSN and MSN-ED from Western Governors, and then went on to complete a Post-Master's FNP program at The University of South Alabama, which accepted my 3p with no issues.

Western Governors told me specifically that these classes met the requirements for an NP Program advanced pharmacology class when I enrolled. I was very specific with the enrollment counselor about my intention to continue on and enroll in an NP Program immediately after and they assured me these classes were acceptable. I wouldn't have enrolled otherwise.

I applied for my initial licensure and received my NP license with no issues. When I applied for my furnishing license, Western Governors declined to sign the form, stating that my pharmacology classes, 3 unit C155 Pathopharmacological Foundations for Advanced Nursing Practice and 2 unit C352 Contemporary Pharmacotherapeutics do not meet the requirements because there wasn't a doctorate-level faculty member involved in the course. 

I am freaking out right now. I have been contacting both the CA BRN and Western Governors for four months and no one has given me a straight answer until they told me this last night. I am at a complete loss as to what to do, since I have already accepted two separate jobs, one of which I am supposed to start immediately.

Does anyone have any advice on what to do? I feel like Western Governors intentionally misled me, and the CA BRN is impossible to get help from. I've even written the governor for help. 

I need my furnishing license to work. This is a nightmare! 😞

aok7, NP

Has 12 years experience.

I am so sorry.  CA is very stringent, it is a crime that oversight of schools is not as stringent.  

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djmatte, ADN, MSN, RN, NP

Has 7 years experience.

And people continue to vehemently back the Walden’s of the world as if they aren’t doing irreparable harm for even those who go on to get certified. 🙄

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I would contact an attorney, the licensing board that accredited them, and the US Department of Education for starters. No way in hell would I complete all that education, spend all that time and money towards a degree, for the school to come back years after promising everything was on the up and up to tell me I couldn't get licensure because they lied. The lost wages, the financial burden of paying for their substandard education, and so forth and so on. They'd feel all of my wrath. Nobody has time for that nonsense.

MentalKlarity, BSN, NP

Specializes in Psychiatry. Has 8 years experience.

This is one of the reasons some diploma mills are finally getting investigated. They intentionally mislead students!

umbdude, MSN, NP

Specializes in Psych/Mental Health. Has 4 years experience.

One thing to consider is to sue the school for refund for tuition if you've paid out of pocket or had taken out loans. If you can move, maybe another state will accept the school's degree.

RNADN, ADN, BSN, MSN, RN, NP

Specializes in FNP-C, NICU RN. Has 6 years experience.

I'm going to try to come to a resolution with the school first.

Luckily, I have emails detailing all of this from when I originally enrolled. What an awful headache and disappointment. 

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MentalKlarity, BSN, NP

Specializes in Psychiatry. Has 8 years experience.

Contact the Dept of Education and open a formal complaint.

babyNP., APRN

Specializes in NICU. Has 13 years experience.

Can you take a pharm class at another school?

RNADN, ADN, BSN, MSN, RN, NP

Specializes in FNP-C, NICU RN. Has 6 years experience.

I'm looking for anywhere that I can take a class if I have to. This sucks, it's neverending .... I seriously could have gone to med school for less effort. At least I would have had more support. This is such bs, they need to standardize APRN education so this doesn't happen to anyone else.

CommunityRNBSN, BSN, RN

Specializes in Community health. Has 3 years experience.

22 hours ago, RNADN said:

 they need to standardize APRN education so this doesn't happen to anyone else.

Amen. How can this possibly fall on the shoulders of the students?  Because there’s no oversight and shady schools are allowed to get away with murder. 

FullGlass, BSN, MSN, NP

Specializes in Adult and Geriatric Primary Care. Has 3 years experience.

WGU is not a "diploma mill."  It is a reputable school.

I suggest you contact CANP and ask for their advice.  There may be an online course you can take.

Good luck.

Hannahbanana, BSN, MSN

Specializes in Physiology, CM, consulting, nsg ED, LNC, COB. Has 51 years experience.

Ah, yes, WGU ... well, let us say that they once asked me to be on faculty because it was a great gig that wasn't too strenuous or taxing. I said I had called to investigate the program I was concerned about, having heard from several of their students, because there were no people with degrees or certification in the discipline in the facultuy for this "master's level" course and the work the students wanted me tho help them c wasn't at the level of a junior undergrad. They poo-poohed me and offered me a job (which I took as a bribe to get me to shut up).

Totally not impressed. As for CA "cracking down on them," well, they're an online outfit licensed in UT, so CA has no jurisdiction over them.

Morals of the story, which is regrettably not unique: DON'T take an online degree like this-- if it sounds too easy, it's not necessarily legit; investigate yourself and ask if that coursework would be acceptable to another program or legal entity  (e.g., a BON in another state).

Now, you'll just have to take those courses over somewhere legitimate. Count on them being more rigorous. As they should be.

FullGlass, BSN, MSN, NP

Specializes in Adult and Geriatric Primary Care. Has 3 years experience.

On 5/1/2021 at 7:21 PM, RNADN said:

I'm looking for anywhere that I can take a class if I have to. This sucks, it's neverending .... I seriously could have gone to med school for less effort. At least I would have had more support. This is such bs, they need to standardize APRN education so this doesn't happen to anyone else.

Check around nursing schools in California.  National Univ, I believe, allows people to take some courses online w/o being in the whole program.  Again, check with CANP for some advice.

Good luck

londonflo

Specializes in oncology. Has 44 years experience.

On 5/3/2021 at 10:00 PM, FullGlass said:

WGU is not a "diploma mill."  It is a reputable school.

Yes, When a student chooses to go to a 'non-traditional' school they need to understand the rest of the world may not have the same opinion of their graduate school education, even though it is an accredited program. Something similar to this is Excelsior..the outcome goal is the same but the path to get there may be non-traditional. 

Frequently I read stories on AN where students signed on to WGU, Excelsior, Capella etc, and the graduate gets upset when they either have to defend their education or supplement it with additional courses. 

FullGlass, BSN, MSN, NP

Specializes in Adult and Geriatric Primary Care. Has 3 years experience.

35 minutes ago, londonflo said:

Yes, When a student chooses to go to a 'non-traditional' school they need to understand the rest of the world may not have the same opinion of their graduate school education, even though it is an accredited program. Something similar to this is Excelsior..the outcome goal is the same but the path to get there may be non-traditional. 

Frequently I read stories on AN where students signed on to WGU, Excelsior, Capella etc, and the graduate gets upset when they either have to defend their education or supplement it with additional courses. 

When I wrote the answer above, I did not pay close attention and did not realize WGU was now offering online BSN and MSN NP programs.  They did not do this until recently.

I agree with you that students interested in these programs need to be careful to make sure the programs meet their state license requirements, especially in California.  Caveat emptor.

Personally, I do not understand how a BSN or MSN NP Program can be 100% online, due to the needs for skills labs.  I am opposed to this.

WGU is a good option for other studies and programs, such as business, a Master's in Nursing Education, etc., which do not require the in-person lab skills of many sciences and healthcare disciplines.  WGU is priced very reasonably for such studies and is rated highly in those areas.  However, I would NOT recommend WGU for the BSN or MSN NP.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianahembree/2017/08/10/western-governors-university-the-best-kept-secret-in-online-colleges/?sh=477e61b86b48

 

londonflo

Specializes in oncology. Has 44 years experience.

On 5/5/2021 at 3:18 PM, FullGlass said:

Master's in Nursing Education,

A practical experience with a master teacher is ESSENTIAL . You need role modeling for clinical instruction, practice experience for test question writing, providing classroom instruction and MOST of all learn to ask for help when you need it. The last college I worked at granted tenure to everybody before the online programs started. 3 new faculty did not get tenure (over 10 years, maybe 5 more faculty got tenure during that time who had some functional role practice in their curriculum). Those who did not get tenure, were given advice to see other faculty teach. One asked for my power points for her content delivery and frankly couldn't pronounce the words. I guess a dictionary was not a thing.

 

3 hours ago, londonflo said:

 One asked for my power points for her content delivery and frankly couldn't pronounce the words. I guess a dictionary was not a thing.

 

Say what now? How were they allowed to teach anything?