My pt accused my coworker of taking her Percocets! (long)

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Ok, here's the story. I just need a different set of eyes and point of views regarding this issue.

I work nights and I am a new grad. I am in a new grad residency program and in orientation in the SICU. I was assigned two pts, one of the pts I had the previous night.

This particular pt is something else. First off, she has a hx of IV drug use and was in the ICU d/t a kidney biospy. She was a transfer from the floor. She argued with my preceptor and I most of the night over the "pain management". According to notes from the floor, she will go to the bathroom for about "30 minutes" and then come out with a small bag full of syringes that was not given at the hospital. This pt also has several bruising and needle marks on her lower legs bilaterally that she claims another facility caused by attempting IV starts.

Well, this night I got the pt, I got report from the day nurse who said an order was entered to change her Percocet to 15 mgs PRN q 6 h. He gave her the 15 mg of Percocet at approximately 1600. She was also SCHEDULED for Oxycontin 80 mg at 2100. Well, it was about 2030, and I was getting ready to get her scheduled oxycontin out of the pysis. We have an hour before and after schedule med is due to give the med. I wanted to be somewhat ahead of schedule just in case something happened (ie other pt crashing).

I go to the med room to get the oxycontin. There was another nurse in there at the time. I pulled up my pt's name and her med profile and her oxycontin was grayed out. I asked the other nurse what that meant and she said I would have to go to another pysis to get the oxycontin. I said ok and exited out. As I was on my way to the other pysis, my other patient started crashing. I ran into the room and my preceptor was already there. The other nurse asked me if I wanted her to get the oxycontin for my other patient, I said yes as I'm trying to get oxygen on my crashing patient.

Fastforward to an hour later, I go into my other pt's room and she asked me for her 15 mg of Percocet. I look at the MAR and the nurse who gave her the 80 mg of Oxycontin charted that she also gave her the 15 mg of Percocet AT THE SAME TIME! I advised the patient of this. The pt stated "I never seen that nurse before in my life and she came in her and gave me my 80 mg of Oxycontin, the green pill. She never gave me the 15 mg of Percocet, which are white pills and it would have been 3 of them. She only gave me one pill".

So, I told my preceptor what happened. We checked the pysis and sure enough, the Percocet and Oxycontin were pulled out at the same time under my co-worker's ID. The patient states she knew she couldnt have her Percocet until after 2100, and she would have asked for it. The pt also states the nurse did not have a med cup, she opened the 80 mg of Oxycontin and gave it to her in her hand. My first reaction was to check the trash for open wrappers, but the housekeeping lady had already dumped the trash.

My preceptor went to the other nurse and asked her what happened. It was a totally different story. The other nurse said that she gave all 4 pills to the patient and asked for her pain score which the pt replied it was a 9/10. The preceptor had no choice but to go to the nurse manager because the pt started throwing a fit about the Percocet not being given. The nurse manager interviewed the pt, who told her the same thing she told me.

We had to call the pt's doctor and advise him of what happened, and then override the Percocet and give it to the pt. I gave it and then keep the wrappers for myself. I charted that I gave them and made sure my preceptor was in the room at the time.

I was also interviewed by the nurse manager and I had to send something in writing about this whole incident. So did my preceptor. The nurse involved also had to take a drug test. I don't know who to believe. I feel so bad because it was my patient. What do you all think? I'm only hoping the patient was proven to be a liar. Is that wrong? :cry:

Specializes in PICU, NICU, L&D, Public Health, Hospice.

You can't really know who is telling the truth here...either could be lying. If I were in your shoes I would be cautious about this peer, I would make sure that I was not put into any situations where I could be held accountable for her delivery of meds. While I would not "throw her under the bus" I would be certain to be watchful. I worked in a hospital unit that actually worked a "sting operation" on an RN who was diverting meds. The nurse happened to be someone I had gone to college with. She had some chronic health issues which likely contributed to her dependence and subsequent diversion behaviors. Think about it...the best person for a nurse to divert opioids from is the known abuser, their honesty is automatically questioned by the hospital professionals!

Specializes in Management, Emergency, Psych, Med Surg.

You did exactly what you were supposed to do and that is the end of it. You followed proper procedure for reporting this type of discrepancy. You cannot assume that because the patient is a drug user that she is automatically a liar. She is the perfect type of patient to steal drugs from because no one is going to believe her. So actually, I would tend to believe her. She, more than most, would absolutely know what pain medications she is getting I guarantee you and she knows what she did not get. The drug addicts keep up with their pills believe me. I think that when all is said and done you will find that what the patient told you is the truth, although it may never be proven.

what s situation...damned if you do, damned if you dont.hmmmm

I would probably give both the PRN and the scheduled med if I saw the high dose the pt was ordered for (so I know she can tolerate it). Also, I'm sure this RN had some idea of this pt's story since she probably got wind of it during report. Disappearing without telling anyone for 30 minutes while your other patient is crashing seems kind of lame though.

Just because a patient has a history of lying doesn't mean she's lying now. It also doesn't mean she's not. Giving her the one time dose was a good idea (she's not likely to overly-narc'd if she WAS lying).

I agree with the other posters--not a fun situation. You handled it well. Honestly, I hope the pt was lying (I imagine we all do). She can redeem herself later on. The nurse has way more at stake.

Reporting it and letting the higher ups handle it. They can flag that RN in Pyxis and see if he/she gives and unusual amount of narcs. I learned when I had to turn an RN in that nurses who are stealing drugs prefer working in float pools as patterns and odd behavior aren't as noticeable. The RN may test negative for the drugs because she hasn't taken them yet. Write everything down that has happened and keep a copy for yourself. I was called to testify against the nurse I turned in over 18 mos later.

I would also always have a witness when administering drugs to this particular patient because she could be the one that is lying.

Personally I would not have given the prn percocet unless I talked to the primary nurse to make sure it is okay. Because the oxycodone is controlled release it probably doesn't much matter whether they were given together or 3 hours later but still I would check with the primary nurse

Specializes in M/S, MICU, CVICU, SICU, ER, Trauma, NICU.

I believe neither.

I believe both.

Investigate.

If the person has a history of drug abuse and is under the influence of oxycontin, etc. I would not view the pt. as the most credible person in the world. Since the nurse has taken a drug test that should tell all you need to know. If it were me I would never take the word of an addict cause all addicts lie. Especially one that is as addicted as you described. I would think that the hospital would not want to order this patient any kind of narcotic knowing she is self medicating and the liability if she overdoses. If she is in posesson and under the influence of street drugs it sounds like a police matter to me.

Honestly, i'm pretty much positive the patient took all 4 pills, and then when you came back in, said she didn't get the PRNs, and she ultimately got you to give her a double dose of it. The fact that you made the float nurse take a drug test is insulting. To make it worse, she had to take a drug test because a drug addict said so. Drug addicts will tell you ANYTHING to get more than what they can have, and in thise case, the patient won. I can't believe anyone, including the Nurse Manager of all people, would think that the patient had any credibility at all. Giving a scheduled narc and a prn narc at the same time to a drug addict isn't going to do much, unless the doses of each were insanely high. So the part of giving them together really isn't of concern. It WOULD be a concern if you giving them to an 80 year old nun that has chocolate milk in her system as the most toxic substance.

And who cares that a drug addict knows exactly what pills she gets - the woman is a drug addict and drug addicts will LIE and get anyone in trouble in order to get their fix.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Home Health.

Well, I have to agree with the poster who mentioned...who better to steal narcs from than an already accused addict. The doubt is already there as to whether the patient is credible or not. It would be harder to steal from someone who is a surgical patient or whatever. But, just because a patient is an abuser, does not mean they ALWAYS lie. Granted, they do lie to get what they want, you do have to be cautious. I wouldnt want to be in that situation for any amount of money. Please update us on how it turns out. Thats just a horrible situation.

Honestly, i'm pretty much positive the patient took all 4 pills, and then when you came back in, said she didn't get the PRNs, and she ultimately got you to give her a double dose of it. The fact that you made the float nurse take a drug test is insulting. To make it worse, she had to take a drug test because a drug addict said so. Drug addicts will tell you ANYTHING to get more than what they can have, and in thise case, the patient won. I can't believe anyone, including the Nurse Manager of all people, would think that the patient had any credibility at all.

I wouldn't find it insulting unless I was guilty.

I think a few of you are far too judgmental towards drug addicts and need to take a step back. A few of you could also re-educate yourselves about narcotics and pain management.

You can't just pick a side here. You just can't. You were not there. You do not know the nurse's history. You do not know the patient. You don't know anything. Picking sides based on a he said she said story just screams bad judgment.

You are correct. Drug addicts don't always lie. But they DO lie in order to get more drugs when the supply is gone.

Honestly, i'm pretty much positive the patient took all 4 pills, and then when you came back in, said she didn't get the PRNs, and she ultimately got you to give her a double dose of it. The fact that you made the float nurse take a drug test is insulting. To make it worse, she had to take a drug test because a drug addict said so. Drug addicts will tell you ANYTHING to get more than what they can have, and in thise case, the patient won. I can't believe anyone, including the Nurse Manager of all people, would think that the patient had any credibility at all. Giving a scheduled narc and a prn narc at the same time to a drug addict isn't going to do much, unless the doses of each were insanely high. So the part of giving them together really isn't of concern. It WOULD be a concern if you giving them to an 80 year old nun that has chocolate milk in her system as the most toxic substance.

And who cares that a drug addict knows exactly what pills she gets - the woman is a drug addict and drug addicts will LIE and get anyone in trouble in order to get their fix.

Correction:

"I" as in ME personally, didnt make the coworker do anything. I didnt suggest she take a drug test. She was ordered to take one by the higher ups. Don't pan that on me!

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