should mushroom nursing schools be abolished or not?

fgoff · Sep 23, 2006

I do not know about abolishing these programs base on critria "low-quality or not-really-that-trained nurses" who established the scale of comparison? What is reveiwed. Nclex pass rate, employment rates, continued nursing education of graduates. Surveys of current & pass empler of graduates.......

I also wonder how thses programs stay open. If a school can not train its students to meet the minium requirment of passing the board, the BON would step in. At least in Va & NC where I have taught they do.

Also, why would students continue to apply to a program that could not show success with high Nclex pass rates??

Sorry! I guess I miss the intent of the question.

Long Term Care Columnist / Guide · Sep 23, 2006

Why ever would you NOT want to close schools that turn out poorly prepared nurses???

Mulan · Sep 23, 2006

You may have those types of schools in the Philippines, we don't have them here in the United States.

Mulan · Sep 23, 2006

Why would you be ANTI-abolishment? Are you attending or planning to attend one of those schools? Maybe it's the only type of school some people can get into.

nanay · Sep 23, 2006

Im for the abolishment of nursing schools that are below standards.

* patient's safety

* maintain quality care

* maintain nursing professional standards

:wink2:

HeartsOpenWide, RN · Sep 23, 2006

Im for the abolishment of nursing schools that are below standards.
* patient's safety
* maintain quality care
* maintain nursing professional standards
:wink2:

:yeahthat:

I am also thinking what it would be like to have to WORK WITH these kind of people. I have worked with poorly trained people in the past and I ended up picking up the slack...

Nursing has not become the most trusted profession buy turning out low standards...we have worked a long hard time (and still are) to be considered professionals. These schools would only set us back wards. IMO

name2be · Sep 23, 2006

Why would you be ANTI-abolishment? Are you attending or planning to attend one of those schools? Maybe it's the only type of school some people can get into.

We were assigned to do a debate regarding its pro's and con's and I was chosen to be a part of the ANTI- group. :)

P_RN, ADN, RN · Sep 23, 2006

No offense but I hope you lose the debate. There's no excuse to maintain substandard ANYTHING. I'd be in favor of promoting a betterment of the nursing schools before abolishment. But... they all should be required to meet the highest standards or they shouldn't be in business in the first place.

CHATSDALE · Sep 23, 2006

i heard a pre-med student say that if she couldn't get accepted into a medical program here is usa she could always get in a program in caribbean

i don't know if these are dipolma mills or not kinda scary

ZASHAGALKA, RN · Sep 23, 2006

Your argument should be that initial and wider access is made up by both experence and the greater supply of nurses.

I'm not arguing THAT point, but if I had to ARGUE this as a counterpoint, I wouldn't focus on quality, because you'll lose.

Instead, focus on quantity.

That is the essence of the debate: quality vs. quantity. Your position is quantity. Don't focus on quality as that is the OPPOSITE position in the debate.

Focus on the benefits of quantity and use 'experience' as the focus that detracts from the quality argument.

Now, NOBODY flame me. I'm not making any arguments here, just pointing out how to frame the need to take the counter argument to the discussion.

~faith,

Timothy.

ZASHAGALKA, RN · Sep 23, 2006

i heard a pre-med student say that if she couldn't get accepted into a medical program here is usa she could always get in a program in caribbean
i don't know if these are dipolma mills or not kinda scary

Do you know what you call the student that graduates last in their class from the American University of the Caribbean? Doctor.

Or, did you know, and statistics bear this out, that 50% of all doctors graduate in the bottom half of their class?

~faith,

Timothy.