Medical professionals counter coronavirus lockdown protesters

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ABC News

April 23, 2020

'We disagree': Medical professionals counter coronavirus lockdown protesters

From Arizona to Virginia, health care workers tell protesters to "stay at home."

https://abcnews.go.com/US/disagree-medical-professionals-counter-coronavirus-lockdown-protesters/story?id=70293830&amp

Sentiment: No Economy is Worth More Than a LIFE!!

Denver protest:

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Arizona protest:

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Specializes in ER.
4 minutes ago, carti said:

LOL. Only in America will people politicize a virus. To Trumpers, you are considered a libtard because you support lockdown and data set by epidemiologists, doctors, researchers, etc.

There is actually a lot of new data pointing to the fact that large portions of the population have already dealt with this virus. Therefore, the death rate is pretty small. Herd immunity is already starting to build up.

There is a reasonable debate going on about when this lockdown should be lifted. They have had success in Sweden. The risk of continuing it to the economy is enormous.

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Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
6 minutes ago, Emergent said:

There is actually a lot of new data pointing to the fact that large portions of the population have already dealt with this virus. Therefore, the death rate is pretty small. Herd immunity is already starting to build up.

There is a reasonable debate going on about when this lockdown should be lifted. They have had success in Sweden. The risk of continuing it to the economy is enormous.

Where is herd immunity building up? How do we develop herd immunity if survivors are at risk of re-infection?

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9 minutes ago, Emergent said:

There is actually a lot of new data pointing to the fact that large portions of the population have already dealt with this virus. Therefore, the death rate is pretty small. Herd immunity is already starting to build up.

There is a reasonable debate going on about when this lockdown should be lifted. They have had success in Sweden. The risk of continuing it to the economy is enormous.

Sweden hit a daily high of deaths just under 200 this week. In a country with a population of less than the NY metro area, I'm not sure I'd consider that a smashing success. It's certainly substantively higher than it is in any of their neighboring Scandinavian countries.

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Specializes in Geriatrics, Dialysis.
On 4/25/2020 at 7:46 AM, toomuchbaloney said:

Thank you.

How does the nation deal with a small group of people who would jeopardize the health of many while stating such silly concerns? What motivates them to disobey the CDC guidelines when the vast majority understand the need to shelter in?

For most of the people doing the actual physical protesting there is no way to separate the political component of the debate. Protest is inherently a political act. The question then becomes how informed those protesters are about what they are actually protesting. Did they join the protest because they truly believe in it, or did they decide to just jump on the protest bandwagon?

Regardless of the political leanings of the group that organized the protest rally the truth that many of those protesting are afraid for their future can't be discounted. What motivates them is the simple fear of not being able to support themselves or their family. Even if they are able to collect unemployment now what will happen when that well runs dry and there's no job to go back to because your employer's business collapsed?

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Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
6 minutes ago, kbrn2002 said:

For most of the people doing the actual physical protesting there is no way to separate the political component of the debate. Protest is inherently a political act. The question then becomes how informed those protesters are about what they are actually protesting. Did they join the protest because they truly believe in it, or did they decide to just jump on the protest bandwagon?

Regardless of the political leanings of the group that organized the protest rally the truth that many of those protesting are afraid for their future can't be discounted. What motivates them is the simple fear of not being able to support themselves or their family. Even if they are able to collect unemployment now what will happen when that well runs dry and there's no job to go back to because your employer's business collapsed?

OK. I'm not certain than anyone is disagreeing about the individual concern and struggle.

But apparently most of the concern is being expressed by political conservatives who are protesting, not liberal thinking people negatively impacted. That presence is obvious. That matters if we want to understand how to encourage broad compliance with future PH recommendations in an emergency.

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Specializes in Geriatrics, Dialysis.
30 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

OK. I'm not certain than anyone is disagreeing about the individual concern and struggle.

But apparently most of the concern is being expressed by political conservatives who are protesting, not liberal thinking people negatively impacted. That presence is obvious. That matters if we want to understand how to encourage broad compliance with future PH recommendations in an emergency.

Trying to keep the politics out of this discussion is darned hard! I'll try my best to explain my point of view without bringing the politics in.

It's really hard to justify from any standpoint on the political spectrum how it's OK for such a big chunk of the money meant to provide emergency funds for small businesses and the average low to middle income worker ended up in the pockets of big companies while some local economies are in very real danger of collapse.

In my area at least all of the chain stores are still operating. For the big retailers it's business as usual except they are now also raking in all the profits that might otherwise have been spent at a local store. Some of them are very vocal about giving their employees a bump in pay during this but with all the foot traffic they are getting believe me they can afford it. The physical footprint of these big stores also makes social distancing guidelines much easier to follow so it's not such a hardship for them to comply with public health guidelines. About the only local retail category that's been fairly unaffected are liquor stores which were allowed to stay open and by all accounts are doing a booming business.

The big chain restaurants are holding their own as well, partly because they have the advertising budgets to ensure communities know they are open for business even if it is just take out or delivery. Do we really want to live in communities where the only retail and dining options are the big chain's? I am getting afraid that if something doesn't change soon that's where we are headed.

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My adult son is temporarily out of work. He is married and has two very small children, ages 1 and 3. His wife has been staying home with them for now. He's a refrigeration technician, his company services mainly restaurants.

They are very prudent and frugal, and he's probably using vacation time. They have a big savings account because of their careful handling of their finances. But this would be worrisome if it lasted for months on end.

This is just one story. They are in a relatively good position. But they have a mortgage and other expenses. This is why people are concerned about the economy. At what point do we have a responsibility to all shut down our lives to protect a very small minority of people with fragile health?

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24 minutes ago, Emergent said:

At what point do we have a responsibility to all shut down our lives to protect a very small minority of people with fragile health?

I'm beginning to think we are on different planets breathing air of a different atomic composition....

Approx. 1/3 of the US population is 50 and over last I knew. Now consider in people under 50 with asthma, hypertension, obesity and other high risk factors for complications/death from CORVID 19, and we're likely talking about 75m people who are at risk.

As to why we protect them, assuming you can't do so out of moral character and/or desire to live in a civil society, is that the binary choice you are presenting of you or them (economy or public health) is a false one.

Once again, the economy cannot be functional until the virus is contained with mass testing and tracing capability so that decisions on what can safely resume without instilling spikes and waves of infection can be made intelligently and in a way that instills faith and confidence instead of flying by the seat of your pants and hoping God is on your side to avert disaster.

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Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.

Are there people engaging here that don't understand that millions of American workers cannot afford to stay home without pay for more than 2 weeks? It would be helpful if we could stipulate some things widely agreed upon. Maybe we could stipulate that neither the economic nor the biological suffering is partisan.

Where there may be some partisan differences is in response to the pandemic and the PH guidelines. Those differences might help us to understand how to decrease risk to the general public in future events.

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4 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Where there may be some partisan differences is in response to the pandemic and the PH guidelines. Those differences might help us to understand how to decrease risk to the general public in future events. 

Hope springs eternal Ispose' ?

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2 hours ago, Emergent said:

There is actually a lot of new data pointing to the fact that large portions of the population have already dealt with this virus. Therefore, the death rate is pretty small. Herd immunity is already starting to build up.

Data itself doesn't point to anything. It has to be analyzed and crunched and with CORVID the models are complex. Where is the death rate small in your book? I'm still seeing 5-10% pct fatalities pretty consistently. Did you have a citation to this model showing "herd immunity building up" all as most of the nation is on lock down? I haven't seen that either.

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I am a nurse who is bringing in a paycheck.

...and...

I have family members who are self employed and out of work and can’t make ends meet.

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