Okay it is a long time until the letters go out and we are all wondering if our HESI score was good enough. So let's be silly and play detectives and see if we can get an idea of where we stand.
For 1000 students with around 30 seats per room, there was around 34 classes.
1. Greent52389- 1/7/09, Rm 130, 81.73 average
2. Shannonmarie7- 1/7/09, Rm 115, 81.75 average
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Repy with your test date, number of the room you were in, and the average score from your class and I will update this page to see what some of the overall class averages are.
>>Did they say this was in relation to your particular situation?
Yes.
>>Maybe because all my classes are taken at Baker it is a different situation.
I think so, too. They may have to combine classes with your case, like how they combine Baker's A&P I and II for MCC's A&P.
>>What do you mean transfer equally?
Meaning that Comp II at Baker, for example, will "count" toward your GPA at MCC. Even though the credits may not be equal (Comp II is 4 creds at Baker, and may equal less than 4 at MCC) it STILL "counts." Why? I'm not sure. I think it has something to do with the class number being over 1000. I guess "equally" was a bad word to use because you're right - nothing is "equal", so I apologize for the confusion.
As far as I know, they'll keep going back until they get 12 credits that will transfer. I have so many college credits that they would never consider any of my HS classes.
Was the advisor a nursing advisor? No. I don't even know if nursing advisors exist there lol.
I can't believe you were told something completely different! MCC needs to get their freakin' act together lol
I just want to say that MCC advisors are not the best. I have seen a couple and each one usually gives different info. I told the last advisor I spoke with that they really need to get a nursing advisor and her reply to that was that they all get there information from the nursing dept. I am not a Baker student, so I do not know your individual situations, but I just wanted to let you all know that the advisors usually give mixed info. I always leave there very frustrated, and have learned to do all the research on my own.
Hopefully you will get into Baker so you don't have to worry about MCC!!
I wish you the best of luck and hopefully we all get in somewhere this year!
>>Did they say this was in relation to your particular situation?
Yes.
>>Maybe because all my classes are taken at Baker it is a different situation.
I think so, too. They may have to combine classes with your case, like how they combine Baker's A&P I and II for MCC's A&P.
>>What do you mean transfer equally?
Meaning that Comp II at Baker, for example, will "count" toward your GPA at MCC. Even though the credits may not be equal (Comp II is 4 creds at Baker, and may equal less than 4 at MCC) it STILL "counts." Why? I'm not sure. I think it has something to do with the class number being over 1000. I guess "equally" was a bad word to use because you're right - nothing is "equal", so I apologize for the confusion.
As far as I know, they'll keep going back until they get 12 credits that will transfer. I have so many college credits that they would never consider any of my HS classes.
Was the advisor a nursing advisor? No. I don't even know if nursing advisors exist there lol.
I can't believe you were told something completely different! MCC needs to get their freakin' act together lol
Did they give you the actual GPA they are going to use?
So are these going to be used, or are they going to add more classes to determine? I know that they do not transfer as 4-5 credits each.
I get the AP 1 & AP 2 combination because Macombs AP's are 16 weeks together so AP 1 is 6 weeks short but when you add the AP 2 Bakers is 20 weeks. But this is just for when you get into the program they do not add them together to determine GPA right?
I think they make it really hard for non MCC students to get in.
The quarter system is what makes it difficult. If you have credits from OCC or any other school on the semester system you won't have an issue transfering them in. There is no hidden agenda to keep the program to MCC students. In my class their were students who did there pre-reqs at OCC and several different Universities (some not local). Baker sets their students up for trouble by using a quarter system that is close to imcompatible with the other schools in the area.
I do agree that lot of the problem is with Baker, but when ever I go to MCC to talk to them about it they give me a different answer each time. The first 2 times, it was last 12 hours, end of story. Then when I started questioning them it was 18. Now it may be who knows how many. I have not went back since the beginning of the month, but if I go back and ask them if it is going to take more than 18-20 because of the transfer credits I'm sure the story will change again.
One time I went the counselor actually told me that I should come to MCC and take fluff classes for my last 12 in order to get in. Well sorry but since I attended Baker I could not take time off and go to MCC and take art an PE like a lot of people did. I'm just can't figure out how MCC feels that how telling someone to take fluff classes is going to produce a better nurse than someone that was taking Micro and her AP's at the time. I guess they finally figured out that their entrance procedures suck because they are changing it. With the fact that so many standby students were able to start over the last couple of years shows that people that do not deserve to get into the program do and then cant even get past the pre-reqs.
So yeah I am probably not getting in anyways because I do not have a 4.0, but I guaranteed I am more prepared than a lot of the students that took fluff classes. All of the Baker students on here that are applying most likely have completed all their pre-reqs including their sciences and are ready to go, we have already passed the hard classes, we do not have to worry about still trying to shove all that in before our start date.
I get the fact that MCC classes are longer, but Baker just shoves 16 weeks into 10 so it is just hard on us. When I was in the AP classes I had to eat and sleep AP. My class that I started 2 weeks ago sent me home at the end of the week with 15 chapters to read. My brother-in-law currently goes to MCC and he does not even have half the weekly amount of homework I do because his classes are so much longer than mine.
My husband says I made a mistake going to Baker, but they give you an extra point so you can get in the next time around which is 6 months wait instead of a year so I went there. When I came home from taking the HESI and knew I did not score in the high 90's needed to get in my hubby said "see you should have taken easy classes at MCC to get in". Well I'm sorry but if I had taken only taken 2 classes total that were easy to bluff my way into the program I just do not think that I would in my mind be deserving of that spot. It would be interesting to see the final GPA of the students right before the course starts and they have completed the AP's, Micro, Comp 1, Nutrition, and Psych that are needed to continue on, I wonder if all of them are still 4.0?
Sorry but I woke up cranky this morning, it just makes me mad that the counselors actually tell their students to take easy classes to get in. Most colleges only want the top students in their programs, not ones that can do well in basket weaving and health class.
The point I was trying to make is MCC doesn't have issues converting GPAs from schools on the semester system. Baker is the only school in the area that I know of that is on quarters.
As far as MCC's requirements, don't fight a fight you can't win. You can't control what criteria they use so if you want to be a nurse (through MCC) do whatever you can to score the best within their criteria. If that means taking 12 hours of PE, then do that. It doesn't matter if you think someone doesn't deserve to be in the program, the fact is they are in the program so they get a chance to become a nurse. Life is about the end result. I can tell you from experience that while everyone in the program struggles with the mountain of material given out, very few actually fail out and MCC has one of the highest rates of students passing the NCLEX around. So the statistics show that MCC's entrance requirements are getting it right.
Baker's students must be prepared adequately for the NCLEX too, they have a 98% pass rate. What is MCC's??
I don't think I am going to have a problem. I think they took most of my classes, even our nutrition class, but it only counted as an elective which is why we have to take it at MCC, but it is almost the same class. They have taken almost all my classes that way. They didn't transfer maybe 2 classes that I have taken so far and those were the 2 math classes before the Algebra class that counts for our program.
So are these going to be used, or are they going to add more classes to determine? I know that they do not transfer as 4-5 credits each.
I get the AP 1 & AP 2 combination because Macombs AP's are 16 weeks together so AP 1 is 6 weeks short but when you add the AP 2 Bakers is 20 weeks. But this is just for when you get into the program they do not add them together to determine GPA right?
I think they make it really hard for non MCC students to get in.
I think the reason why they told you about the last 18 credits is because of how Baker's 10 week classes add up. For example, Baker's two A&Ps are used as Macomb's single A&P. You would have to figure out if they are going to "double up" any other classes. Baker's Micro may only count as 3 credits instead of 5, for example.
According to the advisor I spoke to, AP 1 and AP 2 are not going to be added together to determine the GPA for me; it could be different for someone else (though I don't see how). She straight up told me she didn't know for sure what my GPA would be because she isn't familiar with the nursing department's criteria.
I didn't enquire further because I am done trying to figure out what MCC plans on doing. We will all know what GPA they are going to use when our letters get here. Trust me, I'm just as ****** off as everyone else is, but with everyone getting different information, who's to say my advisor is correct? Or Gemberly's? Or anyone's? The right hand doesn't know what the left is doing.
Thankfully for fall '10, they are going to base your GPA on specific prereqs - no more of this last 12 credit b.s. I, too, was told to take "blow off classes" in order to secure a 4.0. What a joke!
I agree with John20: the problem is definitely with Baker. MCC actually told me to apply to other schools and take my pre-reqs wherever I want; they encouraged me to do my best at whatever school I choose. Baker, however, did not have this same attitude. I feel like they lured me into a false sense of security with them, making it sound so "easy" to get in because of their point system.
Blah! I give up trying to figure all this crap out. It is what it is, and we'll all know for sure in the next couple months. The last thing I need is to think my GPA is a 4.0, then when the letter comes, they end up using a 3.67 or something. Talk about devastating. I almost feel better NOT knowing...
I give up to, I just want my denial letter so I can move on. I regret going to Baker most days but I do not regret just taking easy classes to secure my spots. I think that MCC is on the right track changing the classes they are using to determine the entrance. The fact is that someone coming out of high school that has not yet been to college besides taking several elective classes to get in the program is in for a huge reality check when they get there.
The other thing that I do not get is that I understand that for instance our Micro etc does not transfer for a full 4 v.s. MCC Micro because of having less weeks, okay fine that is understandable. But when they are looking at just for GPA it makes no sense that a 4 credit hard class does not weigh equally to an elective class. So they are telling me that Micro (4), Intro Algebra (4), and AP 2 (4) are worth less than art and PE classes that are 3 credits each. I just don't get how Micro rates lower than basic drawing, which by the way is not 16 weeks, most time they are less than Baker classes. I just think that schools like MCC should give you a lower credit for easy classes and require people that took the easy classes take the same hit as we do. I guarantee that half of the people that took the easy way out to get in and have not taken any other college classes would not stand a chance of getting through Bakers 13 pre-reqs and ending up at application time with a 4.0.
That is crap that the nutrition does not transfer because it is 4 hours a week and from 1/19 to 3/11, which is not even 2 months, I'm assuming that Bakers class is 10 weeks so it makes no sense that it would not transfer.
And oh yeah, the counselor told me that the encourage MCC students to go to Baker to take their AP classes because they do not have enough openings and Baker has a lot more teachers so you can get in easier, so the transfer is good enough to them then, just not when you are transferring 100% in.
The other thing that I do not get is that I understand that for instance our Micro etc does not transfer for a full 4 v.s. MCC Micro because of having less weeks, okay fine that is understandable. But when they are looking at just for GPA it makes no sense that a 4 credit hard class does not weigh equally to an elective class. So they are telling me that Micro (4), Intro Algebra (4), and AP 2 (4) are worth less than art and PE classes that are 3 credits each. I just don't get how Micro rates lower than basic drawing, which by the way is not 16 weeks, most time they are less than Baker classes.
I don't understand that either.
Here's something interesting that I just figured out: If you go to the Michigan Transfer Network and look up Baker's AP 1, it counts as a "Biology 2nd Yr Elective" (worth 3.35 credits at MCC), which does not fulfill the prereq of anatomy. If you combine Baker's AP 1 and AP 2, they count as MCC's "Human Physiological Anatomy", thus fulfilling the anatomy prereq at MCC. Just by itself, it counts as some random biology.
Baker's Micro counts as MCC's "General Microbiology", HOWEVER it is is only worth 3.35 credits there, instead of Baker's 5 credits.
>>So they are telling me that Micro (4), Intro Algebra (4), and AP 2 (4) are worth less than art and PE classes that are 3 credits each
If they are coming from Baker, yes - they are worth less. Again referencing the Michigan transfer network, Micro is worth 3.35 credits; Intro Algebra is worth 2.68; oral communication is worth 2.68; AP 2 is worth nothing without AP 1 (even though AP 1 counts as a biology credit; confusing, I know). Both AP 1 and AP 2 would equal 6 credits. So if you add the credits I listed (micro, algebra, oral, A&P), you will have 14.71 credits at MCC. If my calculations are correct, it would appear that they will be looking at those classes to determine your GPA, since they would fulfill the most recent 12 credit thing.
Take the GPA from each individual class listed above, add it up and divide by 14.71. That should give you your (assumed) MCC GPA.
Macomb's website has their own transfer equivalency database as well, so you may wanna check that out, too. The MTN is awesome, but the info put out directly from the college itself is much more reliable. My figures here are only based on the MTN.
jabraham99
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I'm a little confused too. No classes from Baker transfer "equally" to MCC