MA's Calling Themselves Nurses?

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Ok, we've just switched doctors under our medical plan. So I go in for a routine checkup, etc. at this clinic. They tell me the nurse will be with me shortly. Of course, since I'm a student, I always ask nurses how they like their jobs etc. So I ask: You're a nurse, right? She nods. How do you like the job ... blah, blah blah ... Not once did she correct me. Then I ask where she went to school. When she names the school, I'm confused because I've never heard of it.

That's when she says, "Oh ... I'm an MA."

Then the doctor comes in, and tells me "the nurse will be with you shortly." I'm like ... what nurse? Then I find out that everybody at the "Nurses Station" is actually an MA, but everyone, from the receptionist to the doctors, are referring to these MA's as nurses. My husband, who has to go in fairly frequently, says they told him the same thing ... that these MA's were nurses.

Now, I don't know if there's actually anything wrong with this, and maybe this isn't a big deal but, it seemed really weird to me. I've been to other doctor's offices where the staff was very careful to tell me they were MA's, not nurses. Especially when I asked if they were a nurse or not.

Any thoughts? Is this allowed? Why would even doctors refer to MA's as nurses?

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Specializes in Emergency Dept, M/S.

Funny, I've noticed recently that all the personnel in my Dr.'s office that do NOT wear any kind of ID, name or anything, are neither LPN's or RN's. I don't know if it is by choice, but it makes me wonder that if they don't have ID, they can call themselves and RN or LPN or anything they want, for that matter.

What's scary is the people that ASSume they are the same as an RN, "because they do the same tasks", if they have no problem calling themselves a nurse in a healthcare setting (where they obviously are not a nurse), they would have a field day in a public setting. Shoot, if they're giving themselves a ficticious degree, why not be a doc or have an MSN? :rolleyes:

Because of knowing something's going on, and being in healthcare field, and doing nothing about it. One of the local nurses in this area is now being questioned about HER eithics because of knowing about a local plasma bank allowing their phleb's to refer to themselves as nurses. You just never know.

Did the nurse actually work at the plasma bank, or did she know about it some other way and didn't report it? And, is she being questioned by the state board? I'm really interested in learning more about this for future reference.

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Specializes in Surgical.

This is a really sore subject with me that is close to home. My brother recently married a girl who tells everyone she "used to be a nurse" because she worked at a pediatrician's office. She is not even a MA, she just received on the job training. The thing is, she is now a teacher's assistant and refers to herself as a teacher! On more than one occasion when I am around her and talk of occupations comes up she will state, I used to be a nurse, the money was good but didn't enjoy the stress so now I am a teacher. I have told her that while her job was in the healthcare field it did not make her a nurse and I went to school for years to be able to call myself a nurse. It went in one ear and out the other :rolleyes:

Specializes in PICU, Peds Ambulatory, Peds LTC.

I don't mean to sound arrogant BUT.......... like many say "We've worked hard to become the nurses that we are today" I don't like when other's who haven't gone through half what many of us "REAL" nurses have been through! :angryfire I guess I'm a jealous person when it comes to the initials we own "RN" or "LPN."

MA's are only MA's. Besides where's the "N" in MA? :rotfl:

Why would I get in trouble if someone else reported it? :confused:
I don't think you would.

Patients are not responsible for the ethics (or lack thereof) in their health care providers' offices. Furthermore, in your capacity as patient, you are rather a protected entity because you are in the one-down position, authority-wise. It's why, if a provider does something wrong to (or with) a patient, it is the provider who is responsible or at fault, not the patient.

Of course, you could express your concerns to your physician, explain that you are uncomfortable not knowing who is a nurse and who isn't, based on no ID and verbal statements that turn out to be, well, not very accurate.

If they don't want to make any changes (though they should), you might change doctors. Your reason would be obvious to your insurance company, who might be able to help your doctor see the light.

this is common practice.

it is very common in docs offices to refer to everyone as the nurse.

But if it's illegal, why is this common practice? How inconvenient can it be to refer to people by their appropriate title? MA's at other doctor's offices were clear about who they were, and didn't seem to have any trouble saying so. In this case, I had to ask a lot of questions before they admitted they weren't nurses.

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I wouldn't want someone that delusional coming near me with any needles.

Me either, Marie - SCA-RY!!!

If they will mislead people to inflate their status, what other unethical practice might they consider ok? Making up vitals? Fudging assessments?

I too worked in a physicians office where everyone from the front desk clerk to the physician called the MA I worked with the nurse. She would never call herself a nurse but she did absolutely nothing to correct people. I left because I felt it was a complete devaluation by the physician. He did not even have enough respect for me as an RN to allow me the title of office nurse.:angryfire :angryfire :angryfire

I'm not arrogant but I have heard and seen so much ignorance from people who have never even stepped in a nursing classroom.

I know a lot of country doctors around here hire CNA's to work in their offices. They allow patients to refer to them as nurses...when we took my father-in-law to see a neurologist we asked to talk to the doctor or nurse and they sent a woman out to see us who had on a scrub suit and a stethescope around her neck. We wanted to ask her about why the doctor was increasing his medication fourfold...she didn't have the slightest idea why he might. We handed her the prescription and she just kind looked at it almost ina confused manner and I started to sense from her rat's nest hairdo, severely chapped lips and sloppy appearance maybe we weren't talking to a nurse...I didn't want to be conforntational so I didn't ask if she was a nurse or just someone the doctor hired off the street ( I just cannot believe that woman was a nurse, not that CNA's or people off the street are sloppy and gross-looking but the level she was talking to us on told us she knew next to nothing about medications)...the only thing she really did was tell us we would have to talk to the doctor at fil's next appointment.

(In nursing school we had a class next to the MA class...most of them were the snootiest girls you would ever meet ( I want to say that I knew a couple who were very nice and I don't know if it was just that years class or what, but they were very rude) I'll be damned if I would share a title I worked so hard to earn with them. I know for a fact we received more in depth nursing education than they did, while we were studying med. administration and patient care they were working on filing insurance claims...and hey, I'm just an LPN!

I am about to sacrifice a year of family life, pull my kids out of a school they love and leave my home to make a stressful move to another state for a grueling LPN to RN program and it irk's my a$$ to think of some snot nose minimizing the sacrifices I made (that all of us nurses made!) to earn the right to have those initials after our names.

Yes, I am well aware of the way the term "nurse" is used as a catch all term for anyone who wipes a rear end or takes a blood pressure....geez...

"Nurse" has a fairly general meaning. It is probably not illegal for them to call themselves nurses.

What would be illegal is if they said "I am a registered nurse," or "I am a practical nurse" and they are not.

But that's not what they are doing.

Specializes in Surgical.
"Nurse" has a fairly general meaning. It is probably not illegal for them to call themselves nurses.

What would be illegal is if they said "I am a registered nurse," or "I am a practical nurse" and they are not.

But that's not what they are doing.

"No person shall practice or offer to practice as an RN or LPN or use the word 'nurse' as a title for herself or himself, or use and abbreviation to indicate that the person is a registered nurse or licensed practical nurse, unless the person is currently licensed as a registered nurse or licensed practical nurse" Quoted from state of North Carolina Nurse Practice Act...considered impersonating a nurse...criminal offense!

"No person shall practice or offer to practice a s RN or LPN or use the word 'nurse' as a title for herself or himself, or use and abbreviation to indicate that the person is a registered nurse or licensed practical nurse, unless the person is currently licensed as a registered nurse or licensed practical nurse" Quoted from state of North Carolina Nurse Practice Act...considered impersonating a nurse...criminal offense!

I don't know if it's a criminal offense in California (hmmmm ... need to check on that.)

But it seems to be the same here. MA's can't refer to themselves as "nurse," at least according to NurseWeek.Com.

http://www.nurseweek.com/goodquestion/medassistant_print.html

The code referred to above does not permit medical assistants to use the title or be referred to as a "nurse."

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