Male Nurse Disgusted by Female Nurses

This male nurse is appalled at his female colleagues' behavior. Is he right?

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Hi Beth:

I believe you submitted a recent article about Safe Patient/Nurse Ratios in this country. I have been a nurse for about one year and a half and I am appalled by what I have observed with the untenable and unsafe patient/nurse ratios healthcare employers are demanding nurses work with, BUT, I am even more FRUSTRATED and DISGUSTED with the TOTAL LACK OF UNITY among nurses when it comes to speaking in one voice to employers about this.

They would rather run to the bathroom and cry or ***** and moan in private never having the guts to unite and square off with the managements responsible for creating unsafe conditions for the sake of profit. I am a male nurse....you ladies always tout this spirit of "Teamwork" on the floors yet I have never in my life witnessed the amount of undermining and backstabbing that exists among nurses.

Before we can begin to force change on healthcare employers we have to take ownership of our failure to unite.Ladies. please stop all the petty politics among yourselves! Let's all come together as one body and push our legislators for change!! We are in the millions and we are in demand!! That is power!!

Dear Male Nurse Disgusted with Female Nurses,

The female experience is very different from the male experience, my friend. You are operating in the largely female world of nursing, and it probably feels very foreign to you. But as women, this is our world and we know it well.

You believe we are petty and fight among ourselves rather than uniting and speaking up to management. Uniting and speaking up to management as one is male behavior. Female behavior is more divisive and it has kept us down as a profession. You're right, the nursing profession is really not built on strength or unification.

But there's a reason for this behavior. As a male, you would not know this as a lived experience.

Female Conditioning

Females are conditioned to envy each other, not to trust each other, and to compete with each other. Females compare themselves to other females all their lives. Girls compare themselves to Barbie, to the pretty girls, to the girls boys like best, to the cheerleaders. To every other girl.

Women are taught to be helpless when they're not, act stupid when they're smart, not be hungry when they're starving, and to remain passive they're angry.

Females are called the "b" word for being assertive and considered to be more feminine when they are "sweet". It's a dichotomy of expectations.

The dichotomy is everywhere. Look at popular movies about mean girls.

Being direct and straightforward is not how women are brought up to communicate whatsoever. Saying what we need is less important than meeting other's needs.

Meanwhile, boys are taught to stick together, in the army, on the football team. You rarely hear doctors criticize other doctors. Even when a patient goes to see a doctor with a condition that was mishandled by another provider, the response is more along the lines of "Well, let's move forward from here".

By contrast, nurses are hard on each other. Nurses can be quick to blame other nurses. As females, we expect perfection from ourselves...and each other.

State boards of nursing, made up of nurses, are notoriously hard on nurses as compared to doctors' governing boards.

There's another reason for your observations about female behavior.

Men Rule

It's still largely a male-dominated world. Men have the power. Look at the recent "Time's Up" issue. Even in liberal Hollywood, men have the power. Hospital boards are largely male. Hospital CEOs are largely male while CNOs are largely female.

It's a tough but true reality.

Even in nursing, a traditionally female occupation, when men become nurses they are often viewed as more qualified. It's no secret that men in nursing make more than women.

Self-Value

But we women have very special qualities. Intuition, compassion. Empathy. We are nurturers. When we focus on those unique gifts and collaborate together, instead of competing with each other, we are our most powerful selves.

No Excuses

This is not to say these explanations are excuses. Excuses are for people who don't take responsibility.

We are a force to be reckoned with once we take responsibility and come together. There are over 3 million nurses in the United States. We act as if we only have a rake when we actually have a bulldozer in the garage. We have enormous ability to bring about change.

How do we rally the masses? I don't know. Nurses do unite in outrage, as in Show Me Your Stethoscope. But there is an apathy around bringing about political change. The nursing profession itself is not unified by the American Nurse's Association (ANA). Some would say the ANA is beholden to the American Hospital Association (AHA). The AHA is a powerful lobby.

For whatever reason, it is time to stand up, stand together, and speak up. There is a grassroots movement that is dedicated to legislating nurse-patient ratios. It's the Nurses Take DC organization.

If every nurse reading this would make a call to their legislator, or write an email- it will make a difference!

Easily find out who your legislators are and make a call.

Write a letter to support H.R. 2392 and S. 1063 Nurse Staffing Standards for Hospital Patient Safety and Quality Care Act of 2017 legislative bills. Legislators respond to topics based on the number of phone calls and mail from their constituents.

Please read Mandated Nurse-Patient Ratios and share it and this article on social media. Use hashtags #NursesTakeDC and #allnursesSTRONG

I agree AutumnApple. Excuses and the victim mentality negate power. Choose to be the change, choose to unite, and choose to focus on solutions versus blame.

I agree AutumnApple. Excuses and the victim mentality negate power. Choose to be the change, choose to unite, and choose to focus on solutions versus blame.

What do you think women are doing? Right now? For years? Centuries?

As for our profession, specifically? Nurses as a WHOLE need to do that, not only women. The OP is divisive, so while he's picking, we pick back.

Being a victim is being quiet. Stop with that. Speaking out is ANTI victim mentality.

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Tricksy board. :)

Specializes in Psychiatric / Forensic Nursing.

Oh, my. Another opportunity to talk about what "women are taught" in America. I need to point out that if someone is taught, there must be a teacher. My observation and experience is that those teachers are predominantly other women. I have been a Registered Nurse for 43 years. Before that, I was CNA, Surgery Tech, Orderly, Ortho Tech, etc. My mother and father were both nurses and I was literally born to this calling. On a positive note, let me commend "Male Nurse" for speaking out, if only on a blog. Believe me, for every b**tch I've heard referring to a female nurse, I've heard a**hole for the male nurse just as much. And, let's put to rest the statement with words to the effect, " everybody knows male nurses are paid more". The skewed "statistics" show that a disproportionate number of Nurse Anesthetists are men. Of course, they are paid more for their education and accountability. As for nurturing being a female domain, simply not true. I personally experience the nurturing experience with patients and families. I have delivered 11 babies myself, one on the floor, during a code. I have held the hand of a dying man for hours because he had no family and asked not to be left alone. I have held a weeping young mother at the bedside in the Trauma ICU as her 16 year old son slipped away from a GSW to the head. My bare right hand has held a beating heart until the patient (with me on the rails of the bed) could return to the O.R. to re-tie an aortic tear. I have had the honor to work alongside male and female nurses who selflessly gave of their own heart and soul for patients and families. NOW - let's talk about our voice. What a great metaphor about the rake and the bulldozer. I have been watching, waiting, working, writing to try to get this miracle to occur and nurses will speak with one voice. However, I am almost ready to just give up. After all these years, nurses still can't make up their minds on entry-into-practice. 2 years? 3 years? 4 years? On Line? On site? Must have BSN? MSN? DNP? PhD? The great Luther Christman advocated the doctorate as the basic entry point with internships and residencies as the supporting education. In today's world, is that even fantasy?? I left the ANA when they declared gun control as their national health goal in the 1980's. Go to List of Professional Nursing Organizations | nurse.org and marvel at the dozens of separatist nurses groups. Are they useful? Yes. Are they divisive? Yes. Each person, each nurse has only a measured amount of time to devote to self, no more, no less. Nurses, male, female and other, must put aside individual interest, petty or not, in order to grow that bulldozer and get it out of the garage. Nurses must learn to ROAR !

Society is conditioned to believe that being "feminine" and "sweet" means staying quiet while being treated unfairly. Look to any sitcom or movie featuring a bumbling, inept husband/father while his disproportionately attractive wife sighs and laughs off his irresponsibility while taking over his share of work.

I don't mean this as an attack but did you just use The Honeymooners, a show from 60 years ago to validate your argument? This may have been true 60 years ago but certainly isn't real life today.

The point was/is that our society conditions men and women to act the way they do. Women have been conditioned (by parents, peers, media, combination of those factors) to be quietly but ruthlessly competitive with each other.

Women who are assertive (i.e. asking for fair treatment) are labeled as complainers while men who do the same are hailed as go-getters and problem solvers.

True, to a point but I think it depends on what you choose to believe. I grew up in the 90's where we had TV shows like Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Saved By the Bell, Xena: Warrior Princess and Baywatch. All of which, at least how I saw them, had quite a mix of both. Buffy was a good looking girl but was also tough and a go getter, mean while who were her sidekicks? A bumbling guy who was in love with her. A quiet, yet smart and powerful witch. An intelligent but weak teacher. Xena, well she was a warrior princess need I say more? Even Baywatch which one could point out as THE epitome of sexism had women saving lives and kicking butts. Sure they were in tight swimsuits while doing so but so were the guys so there is an appeal to both men and women. And Saved by the Bell stereotyped everyone yet showed their strengths too, It showed how much they had in common.

It's not a specific workplace or work field problem. It's a societal problem.

True, there is sexism and stereotypes everywhere. But we can choose to see past them if we wish to. We can choose to change. But we must do it correctly, we must do it together instead of separately. I grew up in an upper middle-class all white town where almost everyone in high schools parents bought them nice cars and almost everyone wore nice designer clothes and $150 shoes. But I didn't, I didn't care about those things even though I grew up with everyone around me believing you HAD to have the nicest, most expensive things. I also got along with everyone from the stoners to the straight edge kids, from jocks to the nerds. I choose not to buy into it. I choose to see past what people said and expected of others and I was accepted by all of them. And I changed a few of their minds along the way. Not everyone, but I was able to change some.

Wow! This is a good one. It's time to talk about the "gender elephant in the room". Almost everyone makes a valid point here. Having been a nurse for over 40 years, I've seen almost everything. The saying "nurses eat their young" is primarily based on the history of unwarranted competitiveness among female nurses. For example, I have seen an O.R. nurse withhold vital information from her relief nurse so she could hear "Thank God, you're back. That other nurse didn't know what she was doing". As the male "disgusted with female nurses" eluded to, I've seen back stabbing, sabotage, and more among female nurses.

Hospital romances between male doctors and female nurses have almost always, in my experience, resulted in the nurse getting fired or having to leave and the doctor keeping his job. So while things have gotten better, the "good old boy" club still exists.

The male nurse is right. We don't stand up for each other - at least, not enough. It is not enough to say "this is our world and we know it well".

We are three million strong yet we have little political representation. We are a female dominated profession, yet men make most of the healthcare decisions.

The writer is right. We need to do better - for ourselves, for our patients, for the future of healthcare.

I don't disagree with the premise that nursing staffing ratios are unsafe in many institutions within the US. A united voice begets power and can effect positive change (go unions!). However, the OP didn't phrase his concerns in this manner. Instead, he made inflammatory comments about an entire gender. He failed to recognize the way his own privilege and experiences as a male differ from that of his female colleagues and how these differences might shape our actions. And furthermore, he didn't offer any helpful suggestions as to how we as nurses can amass together and use our power to wield positive change. His divisive comments seem to serve no purpose other than to offer him a chance to make a sexist and insulting rant. (Hmm... who else does this sound like?)

If the OP is dissatisfied with his working conditions and wants to improve them, he should start by doing his homework. He should look into how states like California were able to create mandated nurse to patient ratios and build upon that idea. He should talk to his colleagues and listen to what they have to say. Chances are, some of them already have some ideas in relation to this topic.

And I thought I was THE disgruntled male nurse. Sheesh.

I guess in some ways he's right but female nurses do have their strengths. Compassion, empathy, etc. This is why you see most male nurses in specialty units like ER, ICU because they rarely have to go there with their patients. Maybe they like all the bells and whistles, or they thrive on adrenalin.

I do take great issue with some things in nursing itself and though some of it may be directly related to the fact that it's a female dominated profession, much of it isn't. Let's take staffing, for instance.

There are a lot of different reasons for staffing issues and most people believe it's the shortage that drives it. IMO this isn't so. Most institution shortages are created to save money, whether we want to believe it or not. Maybe I'm a cynic but I don't think people in admin. positions care about quality the way we do. They demand it from the nurses while giving little in return. It's about greed so blame corporate medicine. I do. Whether you like it or not, organizing with unions is the only option. Contact the state NA and find out where to go with that. Ask California nurses and the CNA about how they singlehandedly defeated Arnold in re-election because he tried to dismantle their nurse/patient ratio law. Hell hath no fury. They are a shining example of women coming to gather for their own good.

Another aspect that drives the shortage is the whole entry level into practice thing. If the people running nursing think they know it all then why not get rid of the associate degree programs? ASN/ADNs have now been relegated to the bedside in a nursing home or physician clinic positions for way less money than the BSN. If we want to differentiate between the BSN and the ADN then give them a different test. Considering that BSNs have only research and community health that ADNs don't, none of which is on the test, then as far as I'm concerned they are equal. Enough with the BSN preferred/required crap in job ads. Shortage solved. ASNs are as capable as any BSN as far as clinicians are concerned and IMO the diplomas run circles around everyone else. Too bad those schools are long gone. I do understand it all in terms of the drive for professionalism but it has to be done properly.

Anyway, I don't think the writer is being entirely fair to female nurses. It sounds like he has an issue with women in general and maybe nursing wasn't such a great pick. My advice to him would be to either get over it, find something else to do, or become a nurse practitioner and go into private practice. There are options.

I will say one thing here. Physical therapy is also a female dominated profession yet they seem to be totally in control of their destiny. While I don't think a doctorate in nursing is necessary to enter practice, it has gone a long way to afford them autonomy. Who needs a doctors order.

I don't mean this as an attack but did you just use The Honeymooners, a show from 60 years ago to validate your argument? This may have been true 60 years ago but certainly isn't real life today.

It's never been real life and it didn't end 60 years ago.

Arrested Development (Lindsey with Tobias)

Fresh Prince (Uncle Phil and Aunt Viv)

George Lopez Show (unsure on names)

King of Queens (Kevin and Carrie)

Simpsons (Homer and Marge)

Family guy (lois and Peter)

Good Luck Charlie (unsure on names)

Just the 10 of us (unsure on names)

Just a few examples of bumbling men with good looking wives who tolerate their unacceptable behavior with a ridiculous amount of patience. Kids are exposed to this and internalize it. Little girls become young women who think they should forgive their partner's lack of equal house work or forgive them for now knowing how to do basic tasks (How was I supposed to know how much laundry detergent to use??! ... cue laugh track and wifey grabbing the mop). Little boys become young men who think they can half ass a chore and it shouldn't be a big deal or they can leave the majority of household tasks to their partner who will happily take over and reward them with sex.

Commercials show fathers fumbling with their child's diaper- a simple task that any parent should be able to do. Yet it feeds the stereotype that mothers are better suited for that aspect of parenting. Life imitates art then when men are praised for the simple task of taking their child to the park and are fawned over "Oh, are you giving mom a break?? She is so lucky!" When a mother taking her child to the park is not considered gold star parenting. In fact, she'll be judged if their not wearing the right clothes or if she takes her phone out for a mental break while her child swings.

The double standard is glaring and damaging to both men and women.

BTW- this is a great read about the "emotional load" of a partnership: You should’ve asked | Emma

True, to a point but I think it depends on what you choose to believe.

And Saved by the Bell stereotyped everyone yet showed their strengths too, It showed how much they had in common.

The "choose to believe" phrasing has a condescending ring to it. I choose to believe what I see. And that is a society that values mens' thoughts and contributions over womens'. Even as women take on more traditionally male dominated professions, the pay in those professions drops. As Women Take Over a Male-Dominated Field, the Pay Drops - The New York Times

Saved by the Bell is not a great example of empowering television. Zach Morris conned and connived his way to hook up with girls, cheat at school, and generally trick his friends. Stereotypes (especially when they are very exaggerated) are harmful.

I have to agree with the complaints about how nurses treat each other. The incivility between many female nurses makes me regret going into nursing. It's worse than high school. When I worked in the OR at a Centura Health facility. We had one nurse that played everyone against each other. She was a horrible person. She even turned doctors against the nurses just to make herself look like the most qualified nurse. The turn over of nurses was insane. The sad part was, they kept the nurse that caused all the incivility, and made her the OR nurse manager. My advice to all you nurses out there that think it's funny, and cute to backstab your co-workers, and refuse to help them, GET OUT OF NURSING!! Nursing is about being a team player!! Patients deserve better!! Incivility in nursing has to stop!!

I made it through the "Female conditioning" even though I usually avoid that stuff, but when I got to "Men rule", I just couldn't continue. I just won't even bother. Give me a break.

I will say one thing here. Physical therapy is also a female dominated profession yet they seem to be totally in control of their destiny.

Thank you!!!

My problem with Disgusted Male Nurse's letter is his insinuation that women are the root of all of the Nursing profession's problems. I believe the problems he mentions are byproducts of the Nursing profession's culture.

Also, I resent the implications that women are nasty backstabbers. Most women I know are mature people who have a positive outlook on life and will respectfully advocate for themselves and others. I felt that this letter made some unfair generalizations about women.