male instructor touching students - I voiced my concern

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Hi guys, I don't know if you remember that some weeks ago I posted a message here regarding my health assessment male instructor touching the female students during lab classes. Anyway, 98% of the students in my class are women from 19 - 44 years old, and at least half of us (maybe more) feel really uncomfortable with this specific instructor. Anyway, he can be nice and funny at times, but many of us think he is quite bossy and arrogant, and overuses his power making some of us feel really small. So I was already frustrated about this whole thing, and two weeks ago when we had to do the abdomen assessment, I was lying in bed and 2 other students were working with me, assessing each other. We had curtains around and our instructor said that we didn't need to wear gown, so I was lying there with my shirt on top of my breasts and my jeans opened. He came into the cubicle where we were, and he asked me to show my pubic bone. But I was feeling kind of uncomfortable, and he said: "If you can't find it, I will!" And he reached down my panties and started touching my pubic bone, not taking into consideration that he was crossing my comfort zone and didn't respect the fact that I didn't want him touching me. Then when he grabbed my jeans to drop even more I said "NO".. and he ended up making comments about my pubic hair, as there was no reason for me to be shy because he had seen lots, and he looked at the two students and said that eventually we have to be forceful with patients.

I just felt that my privacy wasn't ensured at any time. He again overused his power, compromised my learning, and then came back later to ask if I was ok. Then the next day, he phoned my house to apologise, but because I was already fedup, I phoned the other campus (same University) and talked to the dean of health sciences and explained to her what had happened and I was curious to know what his job description really is and how far can he go. So to make the story short, the Dean of health sciences ended up phoning the coordinator of the nursing program and told her that I had phoned, and the dean also talked to the male instructor.

But it seemed to me that after the Dean talked to the instructor, they were convinced by his version of the story, and I felt as if I am just being a whiner and although the said that they understand my concerns and changes will be made, I think they are saying that just to pretend they are supporting me. The coordinator of the nursing program who is a female, is defending him, and said to me that "he is a nurse and he did that to me, just because he was trying to demonstrate to me where my pubic bone is"

I still think he shouldn't touch us at all. But apparently he thinks that he needs to keep demonstrating how to do things. I also suggested us wearing shorts and tanktops instead of just panties and bra, but I noticed some resistance to the idea.

Oh well... I just get a negative vibe from him, and I am happy to know that he won't ever tough me again, but I really wish something could be done, so people wouldn't feel intimidated to go to his class.

Thanks for listening..

Specializes in ICU, ER, HH, NICU, now FNP.

Frankly - I wouldnt touch any attorney who anything to do with the school in this case...

However, Local law enforcement would be the place I would go!

Specializes in Acute Medicine/ Palliative.
I am just wondering if there is anyone else here from British Columbia or Canada?? You guys in the US seem so brave, just like I am.. but it is really frustrating not to have enough support here. This small town sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!:madface:

I am from BC and go to a school in the lower mainland. I PMed you , maybe you didnt notice. What school do you attend??

Specializes in LTC.

MMH,

Glad to hear you are continuing to pursue this. Keep us posted.

Hi Folks... thanks again for all the replies. You won't believe this, but this morning I phoned CRNBC again - College of Registered Nurses in British Columbia (the board of nurses), and her response was "ok, did you talk with the Dean?" So when I explained what the Dean and Nursing program coordinator said to me after I told them what happened, the RNABC woman said: "Yes, that's frustrating, but let's see if he will change!"... So apparently CRNBC won't do anything either. No one is taking me seriously, unfortunately.

And I couldn't memorize all your names when I read your replies, but I will just answer here ok?

1. Yes, my husband was and still is very upset with this. He wanted to go to the guy's house and rip his "balls" or punch him, or go to the college and talk with our regional director, but I thought that it would be better if I contacted people instead. Unfortunately, I am not finding support as everyone seems to think that he deserves a chance to change.

2. Hey fellow student from BC!!! Finally someone from Canada. Would you mind telling you how this course is taught in your school? I am in Northern BC (near Prince George). I live in Canada for 7 years and find people too layback (spelling??). In my country we are quite vocal and speak up!

3. Yes, I felt humiliated... and I just can't stand looking at that instructor in class because each time I see him, I see a pervert. So I seat in my desk in class and I try not to look at him, but when I do, he doesn't look at me. He seems more careful when saying things in class, he seems more careful in the lab.. but I don't know if this is going to last just until this term is over. He "teaches" us 2 courses this term.. and teaches also "law and ethics" for the third year students!!! Our nursing program is kind of new, so the same instructors "teach" several courses, however, I learn more from reading my books.

4. Like one of you said... I have considered the thought that maybe he did that unintentionally... but no.. he is usually like this, and over-uses his power constantly. I have also re-read the abdomen chapter in the lab manual and book we use for this class and there is no such a thing as asking the students to drop their panties a little more (he requested that to another female student) or grab my panties to "massage" my pubic bone. I took a course with him last term and one day out of the blue he said: "I have the power in class! I decide what your mark is going to be! Some of you barely have money to pay for public transportation, but I could right now spend a thousand dollars at the ski shop!" C'mon!!!!!!!! Give me a break!!!!!! Most of us live very well, myself included!

5. And when we do wrong things in the health assessment lab, like putting the termometer in our classmate's mouth for instance, a bit forceful, he mentions to everyone in the lecture class the following week, saying what the student did wrong.. and then he says: "see, this is over-use of power!!".. but so far, he hasn't said a word about his actions towards me that day in the lab.

6. I agree that he will probably continue doing this next year when other students take this course again. The woman from the nursing board told me today that if it happens next year to different students, than I can't phone because I won't be in his class.

7. This term is almost over, and for the final health assessment lab exam, we will have a model lying in bed and this male instructor will be the voice of the model, so I am trying to picture myself being warm and fuzzy to the model, when in fact I will be talking to that asshole!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry)

It's just too bad some of have to go through this.. but I am strong, even though this has affected me a lot!

Thanks guys... I better get ready, because I will have class with him in a few minutes. :madface:

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.
Unfortunately, I am not finding support as everyone seems to think that he deserves a chance to change.

And how do people usually find out that someone hasn't changed?????

Take it to the cops. This man IS commiting a crime.

Specializes in LTC.

I definitely agree with Marie that it's time to get the cops involved. Before doing so, I encourage you to convince your classmates that you were involved to go with you, as they will require witnesses.

I am from BC too!

My first reaction as I read your post......:eek:

My second reaction............................:imbar {for you!}

My third reaction...............................:angryfire

My fourth reaction.............................:barf01:

And there is no smiley for my next reaction.....I'd like to get my hands on HIM!

I'd make him wish he'd never touched you!!!

That is disgusting and I hope you do not drop this.

This idiot needs to be behind bars somewhere.

He's a sexual predator under the guise of a nursing instructor.

He sounds like a freak. If an instructor has to call a student to apologize for something such as incorrect conduct on his part there is something wrong.

Specializes in acute care for elders, general medicine.

Wow, this is so very VERY disturbing. There are no words to express how this makes me feel.

I'm sorry you're having to go through this, and that nobody will help you. I'd definitely take it to the police. What he did is so very, very wrong.

I'm from BC too - hoping to be a student in September 2006!

Specializes in Orthopedics/Med-Surg, LDRP.

I know that everyone is pushing to go to the cops, but they probably won't be able to do anything either. IF they do, then it could make her life more of a living hell than anything. And if this instructor gets suspended/terminated, then it could end up messing up their whole nursing program being it's new and small.

I would put in formal written complaints because those have staying power than phone calls.

And I agree it was terribly inappropriate, but I'm trying to play devil's advocate here (and certainly NOT sticking up for the guy) but he's in his 50's and did street nursing. He's probably been brash all his life and until now probably never had anyone really make a big stink about it. He probably feels incredibly terrible about it and she did state that he's changing in the way he talks to the students. However for her, it seems to have traumatized her because it's still eating at her. I really don't think they'll terminate him over this. People make mistakes and seldomly do they lose their jobs over the first infraction. Now if there were several incidents before this one, then perhaps yes, but I wouldn't bank on it.

The worst part is that she's stuck with this professor for god knows how many more semesters. :uhoh21:

Wowzer!:eek: Nothing may come of it but at least the school is aware... and if it ever happens again they'll have your statement on record. You did the right thing!

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