i don't want my post to be the venue for an LPN-RN debate...this is just my opinion about the topic...
i understand that not EVERYBODY want to be an RN and that NOT everyone stays as an LPN...different situations calls for a different approach...we as nurses should be bonded and not debate amongst ourselves of who has the best career...it's hard enough explaining to the lay person what we do and how important we are and not "just nurses"...that we don't need to badmouth each other...
The old addage:: treat others as you would want to be treated?
I think you commander had the right idea.
I agree. And I think that commander had the right idea as well. I think our (or at least my) barrier to this comes when it seems that as nurses we should all be placed in the same pot, and when we blur the lines between an LPN and RN, or a diploma and a BSN. Can we not value each other and at the same time appreciate and respect what makes us different?
Can we not value each other and at the same time appreciate and respect what makes us different?
Hear, Hear! My point exactly, I was just a tad more verbose about it. LPNs are not RNs and visa versa. However, we are all nurses just as all physicians are physicians. It does not lessen your accomplishments nor those of the LPN for both to be called what they are, Nurses.
First of all I never alluded to advanced practice nurses. Secondly, I said that giving BSN's extra credit and more competence for these classes was a load of bull, not the degree itself. Thirdly, I never said that research was not necessary. I did say that it is my opinion that an LPN can aquire the skills to analyze research that pertains to the practice of nursing without getting a bachelor's degree. Clearly we have communication breakdown here. No hard feelings and let's move on shall we? I regret that I used the "load of bull" terminology and that you interpret my opinion as an attack- this was not my intention.
Specializes in LTC,Hospice/palliative care,acute care.
Anyone with a modicum of good sense realizes that there are differences between the scope of practice of a cna,an lpn and an rn and that their state's BON bases their practice acts on their education.I am not sure what the original posts true intent really was-I understood it to mean that we are all necessary componets of the healthcare system..and should respect each other's differences and work together instead of tear each other down.End this envy of advanced education-if you want it there is nothing stopping you from obtaining it-and those of you with it need to stop using your degrees as a club to try and baet others back down with.... Yes-we ALL worked hard to get where we are....You can call me "pink collar" or an expert in "psychomotor skills" or you can spank my orifice and call me Sally-I know I am a good LPN=a valuable member of the healthcare team..I know what I know-and I well know my limits,too...I am proud of what I have accomplished and I love my job...
I have noticed you have not placed your credentials/or title on this board. Or did I miss it?
I am an LPN and proud of that. I worked hard to get my LICENSE. It is because of economic reasons I am not an RN. But if I do in fact become an RN, I would be no more of a nurse than I am now. I may have more education, but most of the knowledge I have is due to my being an LPN.
I think you need to examine your reasons as to why you hold LPN's and student nurses in such low esteem.
I worked with an RN who was more of child than she was a nurse. She was not chosen to work ICU because of her UNPROFFESSIONAL ways. While, I as an LPN was chosen to work there.... Does the title make one professional? NO. Attitude does.........My opinion and I am sticking to it
= nurespenny
ps: I like to color, and paint, and draw, and a lot of other stuff you find so unprofessional. But what I do on my time off is MY business and does not interfere with my ability to be a good and COMPENENT PROFESSIONAL NURSE.:roll :roll :roll
I am an Associate of Science degree RN, therefore my initials are ASN; what is meant when you say ADN? Just wondering.
Pam
What is meant by it is Associate Degree of Nursing; I guess it commonly leaves off the "Science" part of the degree. But then it makes you wonder why a BSN is not a BDN, you know, to stay consistent?
I work in a very busy er, as an LVN. I must say that I do the exact same job as the RN'S except for iv meds. I triage ambulance, I start iv's, and draw blood. I have an assigment, I work right along sidewith the DR.'S, and I even have to know ACLS and PALS. I just get paid about 10-15 dollars less. Oh, there is one other difference, I can't work in triage, but who really wants to... So really to me there is no real differene, except iv meds and pay... just wanted to voice my opinion...I wouldn't change working in the er for anything I LOVE IT!!! and I love being an lvn.......:)
There are a lot of people in the medical field. There are two that are foundational: the physician and the registered nurse. These are the two that society includes within the "professions." One diagnoses and treats an illness, one provides care for sick people (which naturally includes administering the treatments of the physician). Having said that, in my state, an LPN can work under a physician and do whatever he/she tells her or him to do, like in a doctors' office. But they can't really work independently as a nurse, they can only work under a registered nurse's supervision.
If all we had were physicians and registered nurses, we'd have a lot of gaps in the modern world of medical care. But let's not confuse the two types of nursing. To do a physical assessment on a patient, which RNs do, you have to have the knowledge that comes from a college background in the biological and physiological sciences and nursing school. LPNs do practical tasks, not assessments. That's why they aren't allowed to IV push dangerous drugs like narcotics.
There is no doubt that an LPN could be trained in all these things, but if they were, then they wouldn't be an LPN anymore; they'd be an RN.
this is an orginal post by Reyna from the LPN Corner:
we don't hire LPNs... Post #1
"Honestly, they wouldn't even give you an interview because we don't hire LPNs that doesn't have work experience"...this is what the hospital recruiter told me this morning ...how in the world would i get the experience if nobody is willing to hire me and train me for the job?...it's frustrating!!!...i thought that getting my license would make it easier...i think i have more luck getting a nursing assistant job than being an lpn...how do you start? where do you start?
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I agree. And I think that commander had the right idea as well. I think our (or at least my) barrier to this comes when it seems that as nurses we should all be placed in the same pot, and when we blur the lines between an LPN and RN, or a diploma and a BSN. Can we not value each other and at the same time appreciate and respect what makes us different?