Do you feel the LVN/Lpn Is being left out in the nursing profession? - page 5
Alot of the issue lately being brought up in the senate concerns RNs do you feel the Lpn/Lvn is being left out in the issues presented?... Read More
Feb 13, '02Nursipooh....I agree with you 100000000% in regards to your comments to JMP......What's up with JMP??:roll
Educated.......Taught........Some of the 'educated' RN's I've worked with the past 23 years......most of them should have been 'taught' because they don't know what the hell their doing!
The same courses are being 'taught' in LPN classes as the one's RN's are 'educated' in.......been there, done that.......doing it now. No difference......Nadda......Zip......Bingo!!
Makes you wonder what 'cosmic' episode happens to a person the nanosecond they put 'RN' behind their name????? They want respect because their 'EDUCATED'????? For me, RN stands for 'Respect??? NO'......
Get rid/phase out LPN's........:roll I'm laughing here!!! Who would staff the Nursing homes???????? Who would staff the Home Health??????
We can't do assesments?????? Oh right! We don't have critical thinking skills????? HA HA HA.......
JMP.....get another beer from the fridge and gather a dose of reality..........
Feb 13, '02Originally posted by sharonpu
I'm an LPN in the North Eastern section of NY. We are seven miles from the Vt. border.
I have been working in Long term care facilities for two years now. From what I can see, the LPN's are running these facilities in both states. Except...we need and RN to pronounce a death. Can you imagine??? Like we can't tell if they are dead ourselves. I work side by side with RN's where I currently work, in Vermnnt. They do the same work as we LPN's do, of course, for more pay. We have a good working relationship with them also. Every nurse in our facility is trained to start IV's. So, I have to say, we are pretty lucky LPN's in Vermont. My pay is currently $16.45/hr.
Feb 14, '02I am usually a non-confrontational person, but some of the above comments angered me. I was NOT trained, I was EDUCATED! I am "just" an LPN, working in BC. I COULD have worked in a hospital, as BC does employ them, in both medical and surgical floors, but why would I? I would probably have to deal with RN's with bad attitudes, like I did in nursing school, who felt LPN's are 'trained', not educated and just plain garbage. Many acute care RN's did not want to "deal" with us. I fought long and hard to get where I am today, through an abusive relationship and lots of crap, as many of us here have and am proud to call myself an LPN. Sure, I would LOVE to get my RN, but I just can't afford it right now. I work in LTC and am a valuable part of the team. I am a charge nurse and I feel that I am a competent, caring nurse. I think that sure, an RN has alot more of a knowlegde base than I do but we are all NURSES! If I was an RN, I would remember what it was LIKE to be an LPN and show a little more courtesy to other LPN's!
Feb 14, '02I just also think that this is the LPN corner, it's great that RN's want to post and read, because most RN's have valueable and positive things to say to us LPN's as I do in say, in student nursing, even though I am not a student nurse anymore, but I don't think it is very nice for people to come in here and put LPN's and our profession down. Sorry to rant and rave, but I am REALLY irritated now. It's some people's attitudes here that are disgraceful and it is why LPN's will probably never be recognized for their skills and talents. I am proud to work in LTC, old folks are patients too and I bring alot of joy to many lonely seniors.
It would be akin to me saying a care aide is trash and crap, uneducated and useless, which is not how I feel, they are valueable to me as a nurse and I respect them for who they are and what they do, and I will NEVER look down on them. LPN's are people with feelings, too!!!!!
Sorry for the rant session! I feel much better now....until I read another post about us "useless, trained" LPN's!!!!!!
Feb 14, '02Originally posted by Paprikat
I am usually a non-confrontational person, but some of the above comments angered me. I was NOT trained, I was EDUCATED! I am "just" an LPN, working in BC. I COULD have worked in a hospital, as BC does employ them, in both medical and surgical floors, but why would I? I would probably have to deal with RN's with bad attitudes, like I did in nursing school, who felt LPN's are 'trained', not educated and just plain garbage. Many acute care RN's did not want to "deal" with us. I fought long and hard to get where I am today, through an abusive relationship and lots of crap, as many of us here have and am proud to call myself an LPN. Sure, I would LOVE to get my RN, but I just can't afford it right now. I work in LTC and am a valuable part of the team. I am a charge nurse and I feel that I am a competent, caring nurse. I think that sure, an RN has alot more of a knowlegde base than I do but we are all NURSES! If I was an RN, I would remember what it was LIKE to be an LPN and show a little more courtesy to other LPN's!
My point exactly Just because I'm going for my RN-BSN doesn't give me the right to look down on RNs-ADN, RNs-Diploma, LPNs, or CNAs. As far as I'm concerned, I will always be a LPN at heart I just hate it when I see other people do this. It's bad enough to see someone who was never a LPN and have started-out being a RN to put us down (this is probably due to not being in our shoes inaddition to being taught this concept in school); but I have no patience for those who were LPNs and then move-on with this type of attitude
Feb 14, '02I have encounter the nurses who think that the LPN or RN etc., behind their name makes the nurse.
There is no debate necessary between RNs and LPNs of who knows more, or to understand the physiology of and not just the administerig of meds, or the education that is/should be given to our patients, and etc., because we know that both learned from a very different perspective. Each of us obtained knowledge and learned our skills differently in order to set for different Boards.
The things that bothers me is, what are we each doing in the smallest of ways to render quality and continunity of care to our residents and patients?
Are we so caught up in ourselves that we aren't aware that our "fighting" of different attitudes and thinking (opinions too) are taken to and from the job and our patients get the bad end of our (she/he is the LPN and she/he is the Rn and so forth).
We are counter-parts of each other.
Although with the uderstanding, in some areas, the RN does all of the care, meds, education, care planning, etc.
There are many areas that have to and or do use the CNA (there are reason for this) LPN (we have our roles) and RN (you (and soon me) have your roles too.
It makes me sad when the question is asked who are RNs and LPNs and those have the need to say,
Joe/Sue Blow, BSN, RN, and all the other titles that you may have. This is good but why do you have to announce this,
The question is simply are you an RN or LPN
This to me says, I am better, I am here only for the extra identity. You know depending on the needs of the patient, who cares unless specifically asked. If it made a significant difference (titles), it would be mandated to have them included on your name badge etc. If this is so, please excuse me.
My fellow nurses,
We are all real people with feelings, then we are:
If you are an RN, you too have to know and or do CNA work and LPN work in order to deal with supervision and their limitations.
LPN, we must understand the CNA and their work in order to supervise them and know their limitations and though many of us may know how to do, somethings an RN does, we can't because our scope of pactice says NO.
CNAs, you are the "back bone, but are not licecsed and wih this, you have to remember where to draw the line in your schooling abilities. You should report to us with the first seeing of abnormalities and the other daily care you provide for this brings the LPN/RN into doing their sworn duties.
We are a team and this equals UNITY!
No ome should shine except the PATIENT!
I am and have been proud to be an LPN for over 10 years, a CNA prior and will be an RN, however, I will always be a human being.
I leave you with this, I can just imagine how some of us are at work just how we respond with words here. Everyone has the right to his/her opinions and their facts but no one should delight in blithering others.
I do thank you for listening.
Feb 15, '02I haven't been to the this board in several months, but it's like a soap opera! I come back and find the same crap being re-hashed. Geez..this is one of the reason nursing hasn't progressed much. We're too busy fighting among ourselves about who is more inportant, better educated/trained...so what!
If you're an LPN ..wonderful...if you're an RN that's great too. No matter what title you have it doesn't mean a thing if you're so hung up on your title you can't appreaciate someone elses accoomplishments, and contributions to this profession you have chosen. I have had and still have problems dealing with SOME RNs who make statements they shouldn't about LPNs. But I chalk it up to the source now. It took working with a great bunch of RNs and being treated as a professional to realize that ALL do NOT think alike. And THANK GOD they don't! For the last 6 mos. I have been in a dream state working with RN and MDs that valued ability, expeience and knowledge above title.
I've been fortuante to worked in MANY different areas of nursing, and have been asked back or offered a position in many places that were NOT LTC or REHAB. I have worked ICU,CCU,MICU,SICU, TRAUMA ER, NICU(where I started at), OB, Outpt surg, ambu care, etc, etc. ALL of these where travel assignments(except my beginnings in NICU), and I have had RNs, including HEAD NURSES and MDs offer to give me a reference. One MD made a remark that a very nice RN was generous enough to share with me. He said that HE WISHED I could stay there FOREVER as she is soooo on the ball!!! I was the ONLY regulary scheduled LPN on this unit! I was also given a Christmas bonus in the same amount as the other staff members. I could go on and on...but why bother! It won't change the minds of those who feel the way they do about LPN/VNs. SOME people have very closed minds and must belittle others to raise their own self importance.
I have been in this business a long time and have heard this ole arguement over and over again. I can only hope that one day we will be able to see each other for what we each can bring to the healthcare setting. There are MANY out there who realize they are NOT an island, and variety is what nursing is all about.
Thankfully I have had the pleasure of working side by side with them, and I'm the more richer for it.Last edit by Brownms46 on Feb 15, '02
Feb 15, '02To my sisters LPN's. I don't usually respond to threads where someone is judging someone else because to me it is silly, childish and a total waste of time. When some people are disatisfied, unhappy or whatever what is left except to rain on someone else's parade. In some twisted way it makes them feel better. You see them scrambling everyday to climb the ladder higher and higher only to be disappointed and continue to complain when they get there.Im my personal opinion these people are fighting a personal battle as to whether they even want to remain a nurse.It is very hard for them to wrap their mind around the idea that anyone could stop their education as an LPN. Well to those i say, if that's what makes me happy, leave me alone and live your own life. Everyone has a scope of practice and if you've done that, your work is done.Don't let anyone rain on your parade.Some people are not satisfied with their personal or professional life or just life in general, so just do what you want to do and ignore the fact that they have a problem with it.Get your feedback from your patients and just know that you are valued and appreciated
Feb 15, '02I'm sorry Russ, when i say sisters it means everyone that is an LPN. We have a common bond. It was all inclusive
Feb 15, '02Dear Brownms46 & Nur20,
I just recently joined this BB (2/5/02) & thought this thread was still open for debate... Sorry if I dread-up any sore spots for you, but I needed to vent for I've had no one else with whom I could vent with before stumbling onto this site...:imbar But if this topic has been worn-out, why then is it still opened??? like myself, I know there's new member joining all the time who might also see this thread & want to participate. Should they too hold their tongue because they may bother or offend any long-time members whose had their say??? If so, then perhaps the senior moderator should close this thread... In the future, I will observe the orginal post dates in order for this not to repeat...:stone