Let me be clear: THERE IS NO NURSING SHORTAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am so ****** OFF right now. There are literally thousands of new grads, like myself, who are struggling ALL OVER THE U.S. who can't find jobs for the life of them. This is absurd!!
I have applied to over 30 jobs and cannot get a single call back. I have spent numerous nights sobbing in my bed because I can't afford my loans starting in December and might have to consider filing bankruptcy.
And now, to hear that a Florida congressman wants to "import" foreign nursing to "combat the current nursing shortage" is more than I can take (http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_2536.html). Are you serious? Pleas tell me you're JOKING!!!
Why did I foolishly even consider becoming a nurse in the first place (besides it being my childhood dream)? What a waste of time.
Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.
I question why they need to grant work visas at all. I read recently that 80% of Filipino immigrants that arrive on a yearly basis are able to come here because they have a sponsor (family, friends). How many of those are nurses? I don't know why this country can't have a more flexible immigration policy. When the economy is good, let in a few more. When it is bad, reduce the number. Yes, immigrants can make a country but they can also break a country if allowed entry without restraint.
If they have come through family petitioning them they have in general waited over 10 years to get a visa from the Philippines ( a lot will depend on the age of the children, if over 21 then definitely looking at over a decade)
If they have come through family petitioning them they have in general waited over 10 years to get a visa from the Philippines ( a lot will depend on the age of the children, if over 21 then definitely looking at over a decade)
I realize this but have they factored in what percentage of those emigrating because of family sponosrs are nurses? Anyway, the point is that we do not need foreign nurses right at this moment.
I realize this but have they factored in what percentage of those emigrating because of family sponosrs are nurses? Anyway, the point is that we do not need foreign nurses right at this moment.
As I understand the immigration process, there is an expedited visa process for nurses, this is on hold due to retrogression. There is another process called a family petition. This can take over a decade and has not tied to occupation, but to an American who has requested this person to come. The immigrant does not have to be a nurse, just requested by a family member. I believe this number is limited by the US government.
Immigration visas are different from Occupational visas.
This thread is getting the two confused.
Occupational visas are for those entering the USA to work in a specific field.
Immigration visas are for people who want to move to the USA and begin the process of naturalization. You are permitted to work on specific immigration visas at a certain stage but that is a by-product.
Those attempting to use immigration visas only to get employment are usually caught during the interview process. Our Embassies are well equipped to detect those who are trying to abuse the immigration system.
The only fast-track for nurses at the moment are for specific classifications of nurses:
Master's Degree Holders
MD/RNs
Those with 5 years of acute care experience or more
Some occupational visas are expected to open up around October of this year if nothing changes between now and then. However, those visa numbers would go to people who have already begun the process and have been waiting. They still have to sit for the interview and they can still get rejected. Given that the US economy is so tight now, the occupational visas are going to be reserved for the most qualified of people.
You should trust the immigration officials and your state boards of nursing more.. immigration isn't a floodgate like some people are claiming it is.
You should trust the immigration officials and your state boards of nursing more
And what, exactly, justifies that trust?
The system runs on money and power. Just take a look at who's backing Wexler's bill. You really think the immigration lawyers are pumping this up because we need nurses so badly?
Nah, I'll use my own brain rather than simply trusting the government to do the right thing by us. I haven't seen any evidence that they are worthy of my trust.
I realize this but have they factored in what percentage of those emigrating because of family sponosrs are nurses? Anyway, the point is that we do not need foreign nurses right at this moment.
Do you mean immigrating? In that case, what are you suggesting? That people who are gaining family-based visas to be with their spouses etc shouldn't be able to immigrate? Or just shouldn't be able to work if they are nurses?
I doubt that it's a matter of being "out of touch with reality" -- I suspect (assume) it's more a matter of doing the bidding of his corporate benefactors ...
Well, what I meant by being "out of touch with reality" is that he doesn't understand that there actually isn't a nursing shortage. He's still buying into the crap that uninformed people are spewing about there being a nursing shortage.
But you're probably right. Labor from overseas is definitely less expensive and I would imagine corporations and administrators are lobbying to have overseas nurses brought over so they can under pay them in lieu of a fictional nursing shortage. The only nursing shortage that exists is the budget that administrators allocate to hiring new grads.
If they're so worried about being ditched after training a new grad, they need to place stipulations in contracts if it means that much to them.
The only fast-track for nurses at the moment are for specific classifications of nurses:
Master's Degree Holders
MD/RNs
Those with 5 years of acute care experience or more
Are you referring to the H1B?
There is no class of nursing called MD/RN. If a doctor chooses to return to nursing school in the nursing world their credential is only RN-ASN or RN-BSN. They are not allowed to use the MD title in their nursing practice. If a Nurse is referred to as Doctor it is because they have Phd or ND in nursing.
Also the H1B is for Advanced Practice nursing which a Masters in Nursing Prepared Nursing. A RN with BS and 20 years experience would not qualify unless they had a very unique specialty ( such as working on LVAD, ECHMO, etc) and a certification for that area.
Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.
Foreign nurses who meet EB2 or EB1 and have a job in that area and employer proves meet the EB/EB12 requirement then the GC process is a lot faster as for most countries they are current.
I am so sorry. It's crazy how people bust their chops trying to finish these ridiculous nursing programs and can not find a job after. They bring nurses from other countries to work here and can't even employ our graduates. It's ridiculous... I'm starting to think job security is inevitable these days.
I feel your pain. I'm basically in the same position right now!!!! I'm so angry it's not even funny. All the emotions that you are feeling, I feel the same exact way too! I've tried over and over and over again to post a thread about this, but I was so emotional about it, I could not start the post! It's too painful. Hang in there love. I spend half the time applying for nanny jobs! Sometimes I wish I had not gone in to nursing. What am I going to do? I'm in 40,000 in debt. Lord help us!!!!
Do you mean immigrating? In that case, what are you suggesting? That people who are gaining family-based visas to be with their spouses etc shouldn't be able to immigrate? Or just shouldn't be able to work if they are nurses?
I think you are reading something that isn't there. I'm sorry if I'm not making myself clear. All I'm trying to find out is, have they factored in the number of nurses coming over because of family? I understand the difference between that and a work visa. I'm not using real numbers here but say you have 10,000 people immigrating (yes, I used the incorrect term here:imbar) coming from a country and 1000 of those are nurses and will naturally be working as a nurse here, do they take that into consideration when they decide on granting an additional 5000 work visas for nurses?
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If they have come through family petitioning them they have in general waited over 10 years to get a visa from the Philippines ( a lot will depend on the age of the children, if over 21 then definitely looking at over a decade)
http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_4558.html