Lessons Learned - Choose Your School Wisely

I wanted to share some insight and knowledge I've learned since beginning my nursing program in 2010. I'm sharing this story so that other nursing students can be better prepared when choosing a school. Do your homework so you don't have to withdraw 4 weeks prior to graduation. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

Do a lot of research before choosing which school you would like to attend. If possible, interview the head of nursing. Review the textbooks they are using and ask where the questions for their test are obtained. Ask if they rewrite the questions they use or if the questions are verbatim since NCLEX style question are thoroughly researched.

Talk to students already in the program and get a perspective on the teaching styles of the instructors, the flow of a semester, etc. I realize we're all in a hurry to get accepted into a program and most of us will take what we get. By doing your research ahead of time you'll be confident that you're not wasting your money, time spent away from family and friends and sanity.

I say all this because I just dropped out of nursing school 4 weeks before graduation. The straw that broke the camels back? Four weeks before graduation I was told I couldn't graduate because I hadn't completed a basic English class. The fact is I did complete the class on my first go around in college.

The class fell through the cracks during admissions and when I provided proof of completion, with transcripts, the credit was not accepted. I followed the chain of command all the way to the president of the school and was given the same response at each level. I attempted to offer evidence based research papers as work already complete (made a 97 or greater on all papers) and they were not acknowledged. I felt as though I had no advocate and was defeated that the powers that be wouldn't help in some fashion.

I had to fight to stay in a program that I was paying for out of my pocket.

Anyway, I began the program and after two weeks was separated from my husband. I had to find somewhere for me and my daughter to live. We moved in with a girlfriend from school, was there two months then moved into an apartment.

For the next six months I fought through a bitter divorce.

Life changing event #1: I maintained my grades and was still able to work. The second blow came after a major rotator cuff surgery last May. I missed two days of school because I hurt so bad I couldn't dress myself. The third day I was late for clinical, again a challenge with dressing with one arm. I followed school protocol and called my instructor to let her know I would be late.

I called multiple times without an answer from her. When I arrived to the site she stated she hadn't received any calls from me, belittled me in front of my classmates, then sent me home. This pushed me over the hours allotted to miss for the semester and I was kicked out of the program. I was written up and kicked out of the program. Later in the day I was reinstated. The following day the instructor apologized and stated she acted inappropriately. Unfortunately that wouldn't undo the damage already done to my record.

Life changing event #2: The math competency test. The first one I failed and the second go around I made an 89. You have to make a 90 to pass. The head of nursing would make no exceptions and stated I would be kicked out of the program. I went to the director of nursing with evidence that we were not consistently tested on the math and with each test the rules changed. The instructors did not follow the math rules outlined in our math book. I ended up having to go to the dean and was able to retest. The curriculum was changed as a result of this and now math is reinforced in exams and reviewed prior to testing. I was allowed to retest and was successful.

The straw that broke the camels back for me was the unwillingness to accept a class I had completed at another college, for credit to graduate. Nursing students shouldn't have to fight this hard to stay in a program. It's hard enough without all the pitfalls.

Also, find out what grading scale your college of choice is on. The one I attended used a 7 point grading scale. The colleges around them, offering the same program, uses a 10 point grading scale.

Face it, Joe,

You weren't kicked out because of a lack of an English credit...you were kicked out because you were a pain in the butt. You bucked up against them way too often. I honestly can't say I wouldn't have done the same thing as your Nursing program...and then would have breathed a deep sigh of relief!

Specializes in Emergent pre-hospital care as a medic.
To just cut off their head immediately seems harsh. .

I didn't scroll all the way back but it seems as if there was more than a single shot at the test so it wasn't "immediately".

My program allowed 90 as a passing grade. The first semester we had 3 chances as the math formulas were new to some. Everyone knew going into it that if a passing grade wasn't achieved then they were out of the program. Period. No ifs ands or buts. 2nd semester (mini mester) it was 2 chances. 3rd, 4th, 5th semesters it was a one shot deal. You miss it you're gone.

It's not a "total ripoff" for people spending the money to get that education. It's a consequence of their actions. If you know going into something that you have no choice but to pass or you're out of the program then you better make damned certain that you pass. You owe it to yourself to know how to work the problems. It's more than just basic math, it's discipline, it's going that extra mile to ensure you're not the one who makes a careless mistake.

**Edited to add: It's this sense of entitlement that gets me every time. The original poster went and complained/cried/argued her point or issue and was given another chance. She didn't deserve another chance any more than anyone else in her position. Standards are in place for a reason.

Specializes in Rehab, LTC, Peds, Hospice.

Ok - guys - I found nursing math easy. HOWEVER - they are word problems and sometimes people have difficult comprehending them, read too much into them or simply misread them. Never mind the fact that some people fold under 'test taking' pressure or make ridiculous mistakes that make them want to bang their head against a wall for doing. I absolutely guarantee you all will work with someone who agonized over every exam and will be the cool as a cucumber rock that all lean on in a code. Nursing school is NOT real life and grades will never predict what kind of nurse you'll be. Having a %100 on a med math test on stuff you are just learning and is completely hypothetical to you - aren't you wonderful (pats on head.) The fact of the matter is most of REAL life nursing math is ridiculously easy. And when it's more difficult we often help each other out double checking ourselves. Chances are good that that the nurse who God forbid received an 85 % on math testing what is abstract theory at this point, won't go on to kill someone later when they graduate. That's just silly. No excuse not to study, though. Not what I'm saying. Should the poster have made different choices - probably. Do I have sympathy for her anyway? Yes. I feel for anyone going through a difficult time. Period. But please, stop the drama of comparing patient care to a test. Ugh.

Specializes in Med-Surg/urology.
Face it, Joe,

You weren't kicked out because of a lack of an English credit...you were kicked out because you were a pain in the butt. You bucked up against them way too often. I honestly can't say I wouldn't have done the same thing as your Nursing program...and then would have breathed a deep sigh of relief!

I don't think the OP was kicked out..I think she walked away in a huff, sort of like "I'll show you!" kind of way.

Ok - guys - I found nursing math easy. HOWEVER - they are word problems and sometimes people have difficult comprehending them, read too much into them or simply misread them. Never mind the fact that some people fold under 'test taking' pressure or make ridiculous mistakes that make them want to bang their head against a wall for doing. I absolutely guarantee you all will work with someone who agonized over every exam and will be the cool as a cucumber rock that all lean on in a code. Nursing school is NOT real life and grades will never predict what kind of nurse you'll be. Having a %100 on a med math test on stuff you are just learning and is completely hypothetical to you - aren't you wonderful (pats on head.) The fact of the matter is most of REAL life nursing math is ridiculously easy. And when it's more difficult we often help each other out double checking ourselves. Chances are good that that the nurse who God forbid received an 85 % on math testing what is abstract theory at this point, won't go on to kill someone later when they graduate. That's just silly. No excuse not to study, though. Not what I'm saying. Should the poster have made different choices - probably. Do I have sympathy for her anyway? Yes. I feel for anyone going through a difficult time. Period. But please, stop the drama of comparing patient care to a test. Ugh.

The OP did not fail out her program due to the math policies. She QUIT because they wouldn't take her English class from another program.

Specializes in Rehab, LTC, Peds, Hospice.

I know - it's the multiple comments about how students should only get 100 or that will a patient be ok with 3 tries... that I find silly. So - I guess I'm guilty of not replying about the OP's post for the most part - except where I mentioned she should've probably made different choices and that I had sympathy for her. I did read the whole thing.

Specializes in School Nursing.
Ok - guys - I found nursing math easy. HOWEVER - they are word problems and sometimes people have difficult comprehending them, read too much into them or simply misread them. Never mind the fact that some people fold under 'test taking' pressure or make ridiculous mistakes that make them want to bang their head against a wall for doing. I absolutely guarantee you all will work with someone who agonized over every exam and will be the cool as a cucumber rock that all lean on in a code. Nursing school is NOT real life and grades will never predict what kind of nurse you'll be. Having a %100 on a med math test on stuff you are just learning and is completely hypothetical to you - aren't you wonderful (pats on head.) The fact of the matter is most of REAL life nursing math is ridiculously easy. And when it's more difficult we often help each other out double checking ourselves. Chances are good that that the nurse who God forbid received an 85 % on math testing what is abstract theory at this point, won't go on to kill someone later when they graduate. That's just silly. No excuse not to study, though. Not what I'm saying. Should the poster have made different choices - probably. Do I have sympathy for her anyway? Yes. I feel for anyone going through a difficult time. Period. But please, stop the drama of comparing patient care to a test. Ugh.

Thank you. This is exactly how I feel about the whole medcal thing. You stated it much more eloquently than I could.

Specializes in Cardio-Pulmonary; Med-Surg; Private Duty.

I'm another one who has never had a problem with "story problems" in math, but I think this is the way they look to people who have problems reading them and breaking them down:

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I think this person did not like the responses. I sure hope she decides to put her tail between her behind and beg to come back to nursing school for her own sake. This is definitely going to be a bought lesson on her part...

I almost hope not! I definitely would not want to work alongside her. Life is hard, for everyone, everywhere, usually all of the time. I went to nursing school with waaay too many people who would cry werewolf if things (tests, clinicals, etc.) weren't rolling their way, up to and including the firing of one of our professors.

Specializes in Emergency Room.

I think that sometimes when your personal problems consume your life, it is hard to see things rationally. The poster seems to be overwhelmed and probably just needs to take a moment to really think about her decisions. From the post, I don't see anything wrong with the nursing program and some students really underestimate how difficult nursing school can be. But like everyone esle has mentioned, if the english class is truly the only thing standing in between getting a nursing degree, there should be bo problem taking it.

Specializes in Emergency Room.
Thankfully patients are understanding when you explain to them (after a med error) that you have 3 tries to get it right.

LOL. At my nursing school, we had to have 97% minimum. 90% is gracious.

Specializes in NICU, ICU, PICU, Academia.

'Entitlement' will get you nowhere in the REAL WORLD of nursing. BTW - this strikes me as one of the 'new breed' or nursing students I am meeting - "Nursing is a steady paycheck, so I'll go into nursing" No calling, no desire to serve your fellow man, just a steady paycheck.

Sad.