Lack of "customer service" as beneficial factor for chronic disease process?

Is customer service helping or hurting our patients? Nurses General Nursing Article

I observed the following clinical scenario several times over the last few months and wonder if it is just episodic events or something more.

There is a type of patients who openly abuse acute care system. Such patients have a multitude of chronic conditions which can be managed successfully on outpatient basis, but willfully ignore all recommendations, teachings and the rest of it. Instead, they come to ER within 24 -72 hours after discharge stating symptoms which, as they know perfectly well, would warrant readmission, such as chest pain. Once admitted, they terrorize providers and the rest of staff, refuse interventions which are recommended, demand increase of opioids, benzos and other "good stuff" and, in general, refuse to go home till receiving as much of "customer experience" as possible. The cycle is repeated X times. Then, one beautiful day, karma struck. The patient somehow bent the stick too much and totally and profoundly upset provider and nurses. Therefore, he couldn't get more of his beloved dilaudid 1 mg IVP Q2h, no more phenegran IV, appropriate 2 grams sodium/ADA1500 diet instead of regular, no private room which "they always put me in because that's what I want", and his call lights are somehow always got answered the last. Nurses even stop obligingly wipe his butt upon demand, even though "they always did it for me before". After a couple of temper tantrums, the patient leaves AMA or upon the first opportunity to do so, with a loud promise to (never shop there again) never come back to this bad, bad hospital where "nobody cares for me".

That all is a common and well known and I wouldn't bother with it. But I saw several times recently that the patients in question truly disappeared from the ER for several weeks and, when they finally came back, they were there for legitimate reasons. Moreover, their behavior changed quite a bit. They stopped doing things which caused acute decompensations, such as skipping insulins and breathing treatments. They started to take most of their meds regularly, not only "ma' pain pills". They became more flexible with home and office care. They get flu shots and avoid large gatherings of people during flu season. In other words, they finally started doing what we wanted them to do for years before.

I was so mystified that I asked two of them, indirectly, what happened. The answers were: since I cannot get what I want here, then I do not want to go here anymore unless there is no choice; so, I am just trying to stay out of this hospital. You told me that I have to do (X, Y, Z), so I give it all a try, so I might not have to go where I was treated so badly and couldn't get what I wanted.

These observations prompted me to ask a silly question: can "customer service" paradigm actually attract chronically sick patients with significant knowledge about the system in hospitals and therefore negatively affect their health on the long run? And, as an opposite, can lack of "customer service" prompt these patients to finally take better care of themselves and therefore provide significant benefits for them?

I would be thankful for others' observations and ideas about this topic. "Customer service" is pushed down the throats of all health care providers nowadays, but I never saw any research showing its benefits or lack of them in terms of long-term disease process.

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You always make me laugh, thank-you Davey Do!

I have read through the thread and I agree with KatieMI. I feel as though Susie2310 feels there is bias towards the lower economic population. I just want to point out a few things.

1) It costs nothing to say please,thank-you, excuse me, or you are welcome.

2) It costs nothing to quit smoking

3) If you come from home alone, do not ask me to do your ADLs or pull your blanket up if you are capable

4) the zero pain scale is ridiculous. We have people getting their foot amputated d/t there uncontrolled DM and are expecting NO pain. Unrealistic unless we want to completely snow them. I had a patient with an A1C of 12.1, a smoker, and his wife expected us to give him every pain medication possible on the hour or less for a diabetic wound. This was an A & O x4 man that had a stage 3 wound on his coccyx because he couldn't turn himself d/t being plowed and she refused to let us do it. Meanwhile she blamed us and the previous hospital for his demise. On top of that she ripped the wound vac off and refused to let the nurse put a dressing on it. The police were almost called because she kept disappearing after the discharge papers were given.

5) I understand people that do not have money for some of the meds prescribed, but again, stopping smoking costs nothing. We even offer many free wellness programs to assist anyone that wants to stop. So why should the hospital have to pay for someone that destroys themselves?

5) When I grew up people were responsible for their own actions. You mention that patients have the right to self-destruct or die by being non-compliant, which I agree with, but I believe the issue people have with that is when it costs someone else money.

I personally listen to all my patients about their conditions and requests and I will advocate for them. We as nurses ( on Med-surg) have broad knowledge but patients with chronic issues can usually help me give them better care because they know what works best for them. I also give patients information in writing if the MD changes their treatment and explain the rationale. Many appreciate that because they are stressed during a hospital stay and they do not remember everything they are told.

I could be wrong but I believe the majority of posters in this thread are referring to those patients that are basically killing themselves and expect us to help. I also want to say that none of this is said with anger towards you or what you commented on. It comes from my personal experience as a nurse. I didn't feel anyone was attacking you either, sometimes so much is lost in text.

Specializes in ICU, LTACH, Internal Medicine.

Well, stopping smoking CAN cost quite a bit. Many poor quality insurance plans do not cover patches, gums and Chantix, and this stuff costs more money than cheap cigarettes.

I am interested in only one, and rather narrow, category of patients independently of their economic status. Being exact, I am interested in:

- chronically sick with multiple not terminal and not directly related to mental health or disabling social issues (such as drug abuse or homelessness) medical problems,

- who come to hospital regularly seeking help repeatedly for one or more of their symptoms without ever attempting to utilize available outpatient options;

- who apply medically unnecessary and/or grossly exagerrated (as judged by their medical progress and discharge conditions) demands for treatment and "customer service" interventions, and;

- seem to be resistant to teaching and any other primary care based-interventions a.e.b. for example, multiple admissions for the same chronic medical conditon symptom(s) which can be otherwise controlled in outpatient setting

as judjed by health care provider(s).

Therefore, I am not concerned about "frequent flyer" who is active heroin user and abuses staff demanding dilaudid. Craving drugs is one of his symptom, and acute care setting is not, actually, suitable place for this guy unless he has some medical problem on board. I am also not concerned about patients who are clearly terminal, homeless, disabled to the point that they clearly not able to take care about themselves (a.e.b referrals to social work and related services), living in closed facility settings such as ECFs and patients who have families who are "difficult to manage".

My "subject" would be, for example, 65 years old male with DM type II, polyneuropathy, HTN, CKD III, mild CHF, hyperlipidemia, CAD, h/o MI X2 (PTCA X3, CABG), COPD and morbid obesity, community-dweller, who still smokes, comes into ER at least weekly for non-critical worsening of his baseline symptoms (not 10/10 squeezing chest pain) and, once in room, demands regular diet with no fluid restrictions, dilaudid IV for 10/10 unrelenting legs pain on top of Norco 5 (which he wants to be Norco 10 instead) and low dose Neurontin on which he is at home, phenergan IV for nausea and benadryl IV and Atarax for itching. His legs, as everything else, are hurting 10/10, permanently, day and night, for which reason he refuses PT/OT. He gets "stabilized", then discharged, then in one week comes again for the same set of symptoms (which, at elast in ER, did't seem to include that permanent 10/10 leg pain). My question is: what exactly brings this man in hospital? Why he agrees to tolerate uncomfortable beds, being poked with needles, being touched by ever-changing providers, risk of procedures, etc. (refusal even of risky procedures such as CABG are rare among these patients)? And what we as nurses can do to stop the circle - as it is evident for now that all out "medical education" is, for some reason, not working absolutely for this particular category of patients? Maybe, if they knew that they wouldn't, doesn't matter what, be given that dilaudid, Phenergan and the rest and unlimited amount of food and soda for free, they wouldn't come there?

I see the show going on since 2005 and I am absolutely convinced that something that we do for these people is wrong at the very baseline. Just this week, I literally closed eyes of another just such patient, with family member crying eyes out on my shoulder. 50+ admissions over the last 6 months and a life cut short 20 years before "life expectancy" for birthdate and gender. There HAS to be a way to prevent it.

And, yeah, I am going to make another article. A literature review, once we deal with that flu epidemics, which is a BAD one. Promice.

Well, stopping smoking CAN cost quite a bit. Many poor quality insurance plans do not cover patches, gums and Chantix, and this stuff costs more money than cheap cigarettes.

I am interested in only one, and rather narrow, category of patients independently of their economic status. Being exact, I am interested in:

- chronically sick with multiple not terminal and not directly related to mental health or disabling social issues (such as drug abuse or homelessness) medical problems,

- who come to hospital regularly seeking help repeatedly for one or more of their symptoms without ever attempting to utilize available outpatient options;

- who apply medically unnecessary and/or grossly exagerrated (as judged by their medical progress and discharge conditions) demands for treatment and "customer service" interventions, and;

- seem to be resistant to teaching and any other primary care based-interventions a.e.b. for example, multiple admissions for the same chronic medical conditon symptom(s) which can be otherwise controlled in outpatient setting

Therefore, I am not concerned about "frequent flyer" who is active heroin abuser and abuses staff demanding dilaudid. Craving drugs is one of his symptom, and acute care setting is not, actually, suitable place for this guy unless he has some medical problem on board. I am also not concerned about patients who are clearly terminal and patients who have families who are "difficult to manage".

My "subject" would be, for example, 65 years old male with DM type II, polyneuropathy, HTN, CKD III, mild CHF, hyperlipidemia, CAD, h/o MI X2 (PTCA X3, CABG), COPD and morbid obesity who still smokes, comes into ER at least weekly for non-critical worsening of his baseline symptoms (not 10/0 squeezing chest pain) and, once in room, demands regular diet with no fluid restrictions and dilaudid IV with all the rest of it instead of Norco 5 and low dose Neurontin on which he is at home. His everything is hurting 10/10, permanently, day and night. He gets "stabilized", then discharged, then in one week comes again for the same set of symptoms (which, at elast in ER, did't seem to include that permanent 10/10 pain). My question is: what exactly brings these people in hospital? Why they agree to tolerate uncomfortable beds, being poked with needles, being touched by ever-changing providers, risk of procedures, etc. (refusal even of risky procedures such as CABG are rare among these patients)? And what we as nurses can do to stop the circle - as it is evident for now that all out "medical education" is, for some reason, not working absolutely for this particular category of patients? Maybe, if they knew that they wouldn't, doesn't matter what, be given that dilaudid, Phenergan and the rest and unlimited amount of food and soda for free, then they wouldn't come there?

I see the show going on since 2005 and I am absolutely convinced that something that we do for these people is wrong at the very baseline. Just this week, I literally closed eyes of another just such patient, with family member crying eyes out on my shoulder. 50+ admissions over the last 6 months and a life cut short 20 years before "life expectancy" for birthdate and gender. There HAS to be a way to prevent it.

And, yeah, I am going to make another article. A literature review, once we deal with that flu epidemics, which is a BAD one. Promice.

One can actually stop smoking without the gum, patches, etc by weaning down just as you would a medication. My facility has free programs for smoking, new mothers, and several others.

A lot of our patient population on my floor, HD, COPD, wounds do not take care of themselves by continuing to smoke, A1Cs through the roof, fail to go to the wound clinic, miss HD appointments and then get admitted d/t their non-compliance. Each admission you see them declining. I believe some of our patients purposely do not take care of themselves so that we can. Some are all alone and like the company of the staff and to be waited on. Some really enjoy the victim mentality to get attention. Some are just flat out lazy and some just think that their body won't give out.

I was not talking about heroin addicts but those patients that come in because they can't urinate, and then we give them IV dilaudid for their chronic back pain. I agree with you that if we quit giving in to unreasonable demands that it would at least cause the patient to have to reflect on their behavior.

Your description of being in the hospital sounds bad with uncomfortable beds, lab draws, etc ( I agree) but for some of the people I take care of I believe it must be better than what they have at home. I have taken care of a few patients that were very attention seeking even to their own detriment. I am not talking about patients with a psych diagnosis although their behavior could warrant one.

Specializes in Hematology-oncology.

This sounds like a very interesting study KatieMI. I have cared for patients that matched that description when I worked on a general med-surg floor...particularly with diagnosis of COPD, Crohn's, pancreatitis, and cirrhosis/liver failure.

The floor I work on now (hematology-oncology) is much different. Most of our patients are planned admissions for diagnosis or treatment. Those that come in between chemo cycles are acutely ill, usually with neutropenic fever.

Let me know how your literature review goes though!! :)

I reread my post and wanted to clarify what I was trying to say. I think if we educate the patient, we provide the resources for the patients to successfully manage their illness/condition, and they continue to be readmitted, then you must question what is the payoff for them? Could it be as simple as the Hilton experience? Could it be that they enjoy feeling superior over the staff by requesting everything under the sun? Maybe that is the only time they feel they have some control over their life.

There has to be some kind of payoff for the patient that is greater to them than taking care of themselves. Again, I am speaking from my personal experiences but there usually is an end goal for the behavior whether it is rational to us or not. One example is a chronic COPD admitted 3 Times in 2 months. I took care of her and listened to her talk on the phone for hours describing how she is on death's door. She wasn't.

Well, stopping smoking CAN cost quite a bit. Many poor quality insurance plans do not cover patches, gums and Chantix, and this stuff costs more money than cheap cigarettes.

I am interested in only one, and rather narrow, category of patients independently of their economic status. Being exact, I am interested in:

- chronically sick with multiple not terminal and not directly related to mental health or disabling social issues (such as drug abuse or homelessness) medical problems,

- who come to hospital regularly seeking help repeatedly for one or more of their symptoms without ever attempting to utilize available outpatient options;

- who apply medically unnecessary and/or grossly exagerrated (as judged by their medical progress and discharge conditions) demands for treatment and "customer service" interventions, and;

- seem to be resistant to teaching and any other primary care based-interventions a.e.b. for example, multiple admissions for the same chronic medical conditon symptom(s) which can be otherwise controlled in outpatient setting

as judjed by health care provider(s).

Therefore, I am not concerned about "frequent flyer" who is active heroin user and abuses staff demanding dilaudid. Craving drugs is one of his symptom, and acute care setting is not, actually, suitable place for this guy unless he has some medical problem on board. I am also not concerned about patients who are clearly terminal, homeless, disabled to the point that they clearly not able to take care about themselves (a.e.b referrals to social work and related services), living in closed facility settings such as ECFs and patients who have families who are "difficult to manage".

My "subject" would be, for example, 65 years old male with DM type II, polyneuropathy, HTN, CKD III, mild CHF, hyperlipidemia, CAD, h/o MI X2 (PTCA X3, CABG), COPD and morbid obesity, community-dweller, who still smokes, comes into ER at least weekly for non-critical worsening of his baseline symptoms (not 10/10 squeezing chest pain) and, once in room, demands regular diet with no fluid restrictions, dilaudid IV for 10/10 unrelenting legs pain on top of Norco 5 (which he wants to be Norco 10 instead) and low dose Neurontin on which he is at home, phenergan IV for nausea and benadryl IV and Atarax for itching. His legs, as everything else, are hurting 10/10, permanently, day and night, for which reason he refuses PT/OT. He gets "stabilized", then discharged, then in one week comes again for the same set of symptoms (which, at elast in ER, did't seem to include that permanent 10/10 leg pain). My question is: what exactly brings this man in hospital? Why he agrees to tolerate uncomfortable beds, being poked with needles, being touched by ever-changing providers, risk of procedures, etc. (refusal even of risky procedures such as CABG are rare among these patients)? And what we as nurses can do to stop the circle - as it is evident for now that all out "medical education" is, for some reason, not working absolutely for this particular category of patients? Maybe, if they knew that they wouldn't, doesn't matter what, be given that dilaudid, Phenergan and the rest and unlimited amount of food and soda for free, they wouldn't come there?

I see the show going on since 2005 and I am absolutely convinced that something that we do for these people is wrong at the very baseline. Just this week, I literally closed eyes of another just such patient, with family member crying eyes out on my shoulder. 50+ admissions over the last 6 months and a life cut short 20 years before "life expectancy" for birthdate and gender. There HAS to be a way to prevent it.

And, yeah, I am going to make another article. A literature review, once we deal with that flu epidemics, which is a BAD one. Promice.

Very interesting, and you aren't alone. There are community teams honing in on these patients in some areas. Also PCP offices where the PCP stands to be penalized related r/t MACRA initiatives and penalties - I know of offices where they have RNs on the task of keeping very, very close tabs on these patients and how they're doing in the home, providing daily assessments and contact if necessary and working on plans of care that help them maintain their health a little better at home and develop some coping skills for the daily difficulties they face.

I think it's a worthwhile investigation and concept.

Specializes in Psych, Corrections, Med-Surg, Ambulatory.

We've all seen the sample patient that Katie has described. It really should be classified as a syndrome in itself and a specific treatment plan developed. Everyone wants to feel important and I suspect the only way some people get to experience this is by ordering staff around at the Hilton Hospital. It's very sad and we are literally killing people with kindness.

We can't make people comply with their health care or socialization needs. Maybe a bare bones hospitalization experience will provide some much-needed incentive.

Specializes in ER.
Are some nurses suggesting that the laws should change to permit health care professionals to refuse care to patients on the basis of the progression and/or number of their chronic disease/s if the patient is considered to be a frequent user of health care services and this affects facility reimbursement? That this should be ok?

No one has even hinted at that.

Specializes in Travel, Home Health, Med-Surg.
I'm sorry I think this whole notion of customer service is nonsense. They are patients who need help with medical conditions not paying guests at Disney. What is customer service at its essence? Giving people what they want. What does it mean in a healthcare setting? Giving the addict more drugs. Giving the obese patient an extra tray. Having a staff member take a COPD patient outside to smoke....

Codependent nonsense that very much helped drive the opioid epidemic in my opinion

I totally agree that we are causing more harm than good in some cases. I am so done with this. A hospital I worked at actually told us about the Disneyland model (how staff should treat guests) and wanted us to use it!! yea, right that will happen (sarcasm)

Specializes in Travel, Home Health, Med-Surg.
The customer service paradigm is destroying healthcare as we know it because it enables and encourages bad behavior. Instead of focusing on healing and providing evidenced based care, administrators are more concerned about whether or not someone got all the dialudid they wanted in a question disguised as "was your pain adequately managed". Long gone are the days where patients were given realistic expectations about pain in acute situations (surgery, illnesses) but instead expect a drug to fix every ******* ailment with an IVP of phenergan.

Agree and have been sayin it for years!