Justifying the cost of an Ivy League Nursing Education

londonflo · Dec 25, 2021

3 hours ago, FullGlass said:

You really seem like a bitter person.

I was sorry to read of all the difficulties you had growing up. You dealt with more than I can even imagine.

I described what my local community college has because after almost 20 years teaching there I have observed and learned a few things. My experiences teaching in private BSN schools were, on the whole different.

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I don't know what you mean by no health service at CC. In California, the CCs have student health services. I even received an NP job offer from one!

My state does not provide any health services in its community colleges. . I am glad to hear California does. These services are so needed.

We both have our lived experiences and beliefs. I defended/explained my beliefs and you defended/explained yours --- let's leave it at that.

FiremedicMike, RN, EMT-P · Dec 25, 2021

3 hours ago, FullGlass said:

I do not know why everyone latched on to Yale. I did my initial undergrad at Yale, majoring in East Asian Studies. After a successful business career, I then attended Johns Hopkins School of Nursing.

One of my ABSN cohort members really struggled his first year in the program. He clearly knew the material, but had horrible panic attacks during tests and kept failing or getting Ds on tests. He also had a wonderful caring personality and everyone could see he would be a great nurse. (BTW - he also came from a horrible background and was badly traumatized when younger). The school did everything they could to help him and support him. It was finally decided he needed to take a year off. He did, and then came back, did very well, and graduated!

As for me, I did not have a smooth sail through Hopkins. During the MSN NP Program, I became deeply depressed and almost failed one semester (I normally had excellent grades). One of my professors and my academic advisor reached out to me and were very kind and understanding. They got me the help I needed and provided me with some make-up opportunities. Thanks to them, I was able to complete the program and graduate with my cohort.

I can provider many other examples of how Hopkins supported its students. I have found most top-tier schools to do the same.

For the sake of debate, wouldn't you agree that this isn't apples to oranges? The students who are able to be accepted into an Ivy League nursing school are not the same as the ones who go to community college. They are much stronger academically, giving them a different starting point from state/cc nursing students..

I point this out, because the helpful steps that you mentioned which take place in the ivy league programs to help students were also offered to us at my community college. I would wager that students who are more academically advanced are better able to utilize that help to succeed.

**CommunityRNBSN, BSN, RN** · Dec 25, 2021

On 12/24/2021 at 3:53 PM, FullGlass said:

How dare you patronize me? You don't know anything about me. I have been repeatedly attacked on this forum in general, so let me tell you something:

I am from a family of intergenerational trauma. My mother was Korean, fled from North Korea during the Korean War, and lost almost her entire family. She suffered other horrible traumas - extreme poverty, rape, etc. My father's family almost starved during the Great Depression to the point where my father's growth was severely stunted. My half-brother has a different father, and he is half Hawaiian Chinese and black. I am a lot older than most people on this forum and grew up when there was a lot of prejudice against Asians in this country; both my brother and I were horribly bullied in school due to our race. My mother beat the crap out of me and my brother, to the point where I could hardly walk, constantly. I can't remember a time as a teen when I didn't have bruises on my body. Not only that, my mother constantly told me I sucked, was worthless, etc. I was always ambitious and worked - but my mom would take all the money I earned, leaving me with nothing! Yet she demanded I buy her gifts constantly, so I saved my school lunch money, going most days w/o lunch, so I could do so to avoid another beating. There was just so much violence. My mother literally blinded my father in one eye! Enough for you?

My high school was so bad we had armed police on campus! When we went to interschool competitions, kids from other schools were afraid of us!

During my sophomore year at Yale, my mother cut me off financially. I was completely broke. Yale let me finish the year, then told me I would have to take a year off and come back. This is because I was admitted as a financial dependent and I needed one year to become officially financially independent and they would readmit me with concomitant financial aid. Well, I was already a year younger than my classmates, and at the age of 18, this was just too much for me to cope with on top of my family trauma. My brother sent me enough money to fly back to California, but I was homeless. My mother threw all my belongings on to the front lawn. Fortunately, a friend took me in. I worked 2 jobs and saved enough to get a room in a house. I ended up getting married at age 21, and had 2 stepchildren right off the bat. At this point, I just gave up on going back to Yale.

I worked 2 jobs during most of my 20s and also went to CC and then SDSU to finish up my BA. At that time, even women with a college education often started out as secretaries, which I did. Fast forward, by the age of 40 I was a corporate VP.

At age 53, I started nursing school at Hopkins. My mother had passed away, and of all things, my father then began sexually molesting me! This is why I fell into a deep depression and attempted suicide during my NP Program. After I started working as an NP, my father remarried and then tried to rob me of my inheritance!

What got me through all these challenges? KNOWING A BETTER FUTURE IS POSSIBLE. I didn't sit around giving myself a pity party, focusing on all my disadvantages. I "kept my eyes on the prize."

I have spent a LOT of time in CC. I have also helped other students with SOCIAL ISSUES. And yes, I did make a contribution to a CC that is very poor and helped me a lot.

I don't know what you mean by no health service at CC. In California, the CCs have student health services. I even received an NP job offer from one!

I AM NOT PUTTING DOWN CC. I will say it yet again. I AM NOT PUTTING DOWN CC. They do great work. But CC is NOT the only possibility for disadvantaged students.

Tl; Dr

FullGlass, BSN, MSN, NP · Dec 27, 2021

On 12/24/2021 at 1:41 PM, simplyunique said:

Can you please explain what the definition of GHETTO means?

I think any literate person knows the meaning of the term. Try googling it if you don't know the meaning

TheUniqueme1, ADN · Dec 28, 2021

Let me re-direct my question to you… Can you give the literate readers of this platform an analogy of how to use the word GHETTO in a sentence? I’m just asking for clarification to better understand your usage of the word GHETTO in your thought process. Your words, your terminology; Please enlighten us.

TheUniqueme1, ADN · Dec 28, 2021

For the record; everyone has a past history, some worser than others. But what’s important to me, is that we don’t pass judgment on places, persons or things. Humility goes a long way!

Have a blessed day! ?

PMFB-RN, RN · Dec 28, 2021

My daughter is a senior in high school and was just accepted to Yale and offered a scholarship. It's not full ride but it brings the cost of attending Yale to less than that of the local state university.

My guess is that is the case for many people who attend Ivy League schools.

FullGlass, BSN, MSN, NP · Dec 28, 2021

17 hours ago, TheUniqueme1 said:

Let me re-direct my question to you… Can you give the literate readers of this platform an analogy of how to use the word GHETTO in a sentence? I’m just asking for clarification to better understand your usage of the word GHETTO in your thought process. Your words, your terminology; Please enlighten us.

What is your point? The purpose of this forum is to discuss nursing topics, not English vocabulary and grammar. If you are trying to make a point, then do so, and stop beating around the bush.

FullGlass, BSN, MSN, NP · Dec 28, 2021

On 12/24/2021 at 4:26 PM, FiremedicMike said:

For the sake of debate, wouldn't you agree that this isn't apples to oranges? The students who are able to be accepted into an Ivy League nursing school are not the same as the ones who go to community college. They are much stronger academically, giving them a different starting point from state/cc nursing students..

I point this out, because the helpful steps that you mentioned which take place in the ivy league programs to help students were also offered to us at my community college. I would wager that students who are more academically advanced are better able to utilize that help to succeed.

You are largely correct. However, there are many individuals from disadvantaged backgrounds that truly believe they could never get into, or afford, a top-tier university. I read an interesting article that the students most likely to get saddeled with outrageous debt from for-profit schools were disadvantaged. The reason they went to the schlocky schools was that there were no admission requirements and they were courted and courted and courted . . . These students were just overwhelmed by the idea of competitive admissions and also did not understand how to evaluate the cost of an education.

In addition, a bright person could get their ADN from a community college and then later on decide to become an NP.

I just want people to be aware that they should apply to a top tier college if they are bright and have good grades - they might be pleasantly surprised that they could get such an education for a very reasonable price.