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Just because you are a nurse doesn't mean you have to be a Democrat or Liberal. I remember when the healthcare bill was first being discussed everyone on this site seemed to be pushing leftist ideals and it was a sin to be against Obamacare. I don't see anyone hyping it now. I thought it was a bad bill then and apparently it's a bad bill now. I wonder how many nurses are still siding with the Progressives. I remember how hard I got blasted on this site for speaking against that bill.

Specializes in icu/er.

i think the vast majority of americans would not mind paying alittle extra in taxes each month to help other americans in need..meaning americans that are literally to sick to work (cancer, als) along with other people who are REALLY disabled and helping the family who work two or three different jobs to pay bills but just dont have enough at the end of the day, or the older folks who are fixed income and had retirement payments raped by corporate thugs. in meaning i'll be glad to pay extra for people who really NEED and DESERVE help. but i absolutly refuse to contribute to slackers, lazy people who can very well get out there and work but have been gettin over on the system all these yrs getting free rides off my paycheck and i dont want to pay for illegal aliens. if they would ever comprise a system that could take care of these issues it would be looked on way more favorable by americans.

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i think the vast majority of americans would not mind paying alittle extra in taxes each month to help other americans in need..meaning americans that are literally to sick to work (cancer, als) along with other people who are REALLY disabled and helping the family who work two or three different jobs to pay bills but just dont have enough at the end of the day, or the older folks who are fixed income and had retirement payments raped by corporate thugs. in meaning i'll be glad to pay extra for people who really NEED and DESERVE help. but i absolutly refuse to contribute to slackers, lazy people who can very well get out there and work but have been gettin over on the system all these yrs getting free rides off my paycheck and i dont want to pay for illegal aliens. if they would ever comprise a system that could take care of these issues it would be looked on way more favorable by americans.

Most of my co-workers are on Medicaid or heavily-subsidized government insurance programs because they simply can NOT afford the $600 for family coverage of the private insurance offered by our employer - a health care corporation.

To which slackers and lazy people do you refer?

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Specializes in Psych, Med/Surg, LTC.
There are many of us here who are against it. Don't feel all alone. :)

There are so many threads here about this issue - and it is being actively discussed almost every day.

Sometimes I do feel outnumbered though - so I realize how you feel.

Keep posting!

steph

me too!

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the ones i see are beating the triage door down that sit at home and drink 32oz. beer and watching jerry springer all day, but yet come into the er with a since of entitlement. of course the deciding factor of who get assistance should be on a indiviualized case by case acount. i work with people who are on medicaid and medicare too, i also see them taliking on fancy ipod phones and getting new hair-do's every freakin week. i have cousins that work the system, have been for long time now. so i know first hand how people get around the system and i pay for it.

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Specializes in PICU, NICU, L&D, Public Health, Hospice.
the ones i see are beating the triage door down that sit at home and drink 32oz. beer and watching jerry springer all day, but yet come into the er with a since of entitlement. of course the deciding factor of who get assistance should be on a indiviualized case by case acount. i work with people who are on medicaid and medicare too, i also see them taliking on fancy ipod phones and getting new hair-do's every freakin week. i have cousins that work the system, have been for long time now. so i know first hand how people get around the system and i pay for it.

And so your dislike of these people prevents you from supporting reform which will help millions of American's who work hard, pay taxes, live modest lives, and cannot afford health care insurance as it currently exists in our country today. That is really sad, don't you think? Because there will be poor always, there will be drunks always, there will be wife beaters always...that does not mean that we should just shrug our shoulders when the guy down the street loses his home because he had a heart attack or his wife had ovarian cancer and they couldn't pay for insurance.

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Specializes in icu/er.

in that context no. but i am against just some blanket proposal to arbitrarely give coverage to anyone who wants it. this has to be reviewed case by case, patient by patient. if we actually attempted with good and fair effort to actively seek out all the free loaders and remove them from the gov't free cheese line i believe this reform would go over but this is not political correctness. like i said in my previous post, i wouldnt mind paying extra for the proper people getting assistance & obviously that would apply to the scenerio of the "guy down the street who had a mi & now lost his home". futhermore, i also believe if you get assistance from the gov't you should have to volunteer some type of time every week or month, obviously it would depend on your health what you did...but even a guy down the street who had a mi and lost his home could sit in a chair at the local library and press a computer button for a few hrs a week for free health care and assistance. you get some free care and finances & the community gets some volunteer time from you..sound like a good trade off to me.

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in that context no. but i am against just some blanket proposal to arbitrarely give coverage to anyone who wants it. this has to be reviewed case by case, patient by patient. if we actually attempted with good and fair effort to actively seek out all the free loaders and remove them from the gov't free cheese line i believe this reform would go over but this is not political correctness. like i said in my previous post, i wouldnt mind paying extra for the proper people getting assistance & obviously that would apply to the scenerio of the "guy down the street who had a mi & now lost his home". futhermore, i also believe if you get assistance from the gov't you should have to volunteer some type of time every week or month, obviously it would depend on your health what you did...but even a guy down the street who had a mi and lost his home could sit in a chair at the local library and press a computer button for a few hrs a week for free health care and assistance. you get some free care and finances & the community gets some volunteer time from you..sound like a good trade off to me.

I think I could stomach Universal Healthcare if it was presented in a format similar to this. But it would not go over very well for the ones who are 2nd or even 3rd generational wellfare recipients. Imagine acutally having to volunteer some time to get assistance from the gov't, the nerve....

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Specializes in Geriatrics, Home Health.
. but i am against just some blanket proposal to arbitrarely give coverage to anyone who wants it.

Medicare covers all adults 65 or older, even women who never worked a day (for pay) in their lives.

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Specializes in PICU, NICU, L&D, Public Health, Hospice.

I get the picture...against doing something good for everybody...only for doing something good for the "good people". The Bible is true when it distinguishes the sacrifice for a righteous man as opposed to the sacrifice for a sinner...how clearly we demonstrate this in todays post-Christian American society.

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Specializes in icu/er.
I get the picture...against doing something good for everybody...only for doing something good for the "good people". The Bible is true when it distinguishes the sacrifice for a righteous man as opposed to the sacrifice for a sinner...how clearly we demonstrate this in todays post-Christian American society.

i'm for doing good for people who really need the help (just like i explained in my original post) however, i cant see myself just paying for people who constantley leech off of society without making any significant contributions other than making babies and watching tv at home. this is why there is such stuanch oposition to this healthcare reform but it is under the pretense of costing to much money. i make sacrifices every ******* day esp. while im doing 12hrs er for some people who really dont deserve it and should be locked up in jail not to see daylight again.

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Specializes in icu/er.
Medicare covers all adults 65 or older, even women who never worked a day (for pay) in their lives.

i'm talking about free healthcare for people who could possibly work and do for themselves but refuse to and allow the gov't to baby sit them. if you meet the actual requirements for the medicare program i'm cool with that, but i still think you should be made to volunteer some time somewhere while on the program.

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Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical.

I know many people over 65 who volunteer at food banks, free clinics, blood drives, and such.

But if we were made to it would not be volunteering.

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