Things seem to be unfolding rather quickly. Former White House aides and advisors are scrambling to cover themselves as they receive subpoenas to appear and produce documents.
It’s rare when lawyers — as opposed to their clients — take the Fifth Amendment. But Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department lawyer who reportedly tried to help Donald Trump overturn the 2020 presidential election, is now claiming the privilege against self-incrimination to avoid testifying before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He has just been joined in that posture by one of Trump’s main outside legal advisers, John Eastman.
The lawsuit comes after the committee signaled it would pursue a criminal contempt referral against Meadows because of his refusal to sit for a deposition in the investigation into the Capitol riot. Meadows alleges that the subpoenas are "overly broad and unduly burdensome," while claiming that the committee "lacks lawful authority to seek and to obtain" the information requested.
And apparently Mark Meadows had a power point outlining how to overturn election results.
The 38-page presentation, entitled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan," is dated one day before the Capitol riot. It's believed to have been submitted by Meadows after he was subpoenaed by the panel in connection with the insurrection.
I couldn't believe that the editorial board would release this statement because that would piss off so many of their readers. The comment section seems to reflect that many of it's readers continue to support Trump. The comments look like a close horse race but, IMHO, he is losing steam with Republicans and is behaving like a very old man. I think increasing that the Trump die hards would go with Pence in the primary without losing their crazy credentials.
That's why we vote. If he runs, the voters will decide, and imo they would agree with the writer of this opinion.
Let's not pretend though that Congress and the oval office isn't full of people who have done far worse to our country than Trump's few hours of inaction.
You just can't resist the what about-ism, divisiveness can you?
And no, I don't think the Oval Office or Congress are full of people who have been done far worse.
Beerman: you think Trump's inaction on January 6 is the ONLY exhibit of incompetence he laid out over his 4 years? Every.single.day. he was in office, he left it more destroyed and weaker than the day before. He caused despair for countries friendly to us. Please don't even bring up the Abraham Accords which was mainly a money making scheme for Jared and will only make other Arab countries hate us even more. DJT didn't do anything to make the world a better place before he lost. He's fired......at last.
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14 hours ago, Beerman said:
That's why we vote. If he runs, the voters will decide, and imo they would agree with the writer of this opinion.
Let's not pretend though that Congress and the oval office isn't full of people who have done far worse to our country than Trump's few hours of inaction.
Which members of congress are you accusing of directly threatening our republic in an attempted coup? Jim Jordan? Mo Brooks? Taylor-Green?
What specific crimes are you guessing have been committed by the Biden administration that are even close to equal to an attempted coup? Or maybe you think that January 6 was just a spontaneous riot that had nothing to do with Trump.
You just can't resist the what about-ism, divisiveness can you?
And no, I don't think the Oval Office or Congress are full of people who have been done far worse.
Jan 6 was a terrible day, and a historical embarrassing black-eye for America. In the big picture, not much more than that.
The focus now seems to be on that Trump should have acted sooner. And, I agree. It's questionable though, if that woukd have made that much difference.
As a side note, I'm still a but shocked there was not a better been in place for if something like that happened. Not for Jan 6 specifically, but some kind of permanent plan. Anyway...
Our elected "leaders" actions and inactions based on political motives on the issues we discuss here all the time have far far more consequences than Trump sitting on his butt for a few hours.
The current administrations border policies are a travesty that among other things are leading to skyrocketing drug overdoses.
You would probably counter with the Republicans relationship to the NRA is causing gun deaths.
We could go back in history, and go back and forth on that and find unlimited examples where politicians are acting in their own best interests at our great expense.
Did I really say anything that divisive? First of all, this small group is already divided. And, I think one thing we do agree on is many of our politicians aren't really looking out for us.
Beerman, I’m curious, how much of the actual hearings have you watched?
In my opinion, death threats against the VP, forged electoral college documents and an armed attempt to overturn an election is a bit worse than a black eye.
It kind of boggles the mind that the same media voices that are trying to minimize Jan 6 as a peaceful demonstration marred by a few bad apples, waxed so outraged over Obama’s tan suit and AOCs expensive coat just a little while ago.
It was an attempt, that came nowhere close to succeeding. And, those who broke laws should be prosecuted.
That being said, have any of our lives changed?
Nowhere close to succeeding? I disagree. What if Pence had obediently gotten into that car? What if he had shown his usual lack of spine, accepted those fake electors and gone along with Eastman to take just one little step away from the law? What if Trump and his crowd had been a tad more competent?
What if the courts and the “deep state” that upsets so many people hadn’t stood up on their collective hind legs and said “H**l no! We won’t go!”
What if …
Well, as another user pointed out, the hearings have served to collect and preserve tons of primary historical material for future study. We’ll figure it out in time.
It was an attempt, that came nowhere close to succeeding. And, those who broke laws should be prosecuted.
That being said, have any of our lives changed?
Specious argument. The whole stop the steal concept has generated a push by republican state legislatures to not only curtail the ability to vote, but to also set the stage for those legislators to overrule the popular vote.
Yes, the jan 6th insurrectionists failed in their attempt to stop the certification of the election, but there is now a precedent set for the extreme right wing. I would surmise they will plan better next time.
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35 minutes ago, Beerman said:
It was an attempt, that came nowhere close to succeeding. And, those who broke laws should be prosecuted.
That being said, have any of our lives changed?
Have you listened to all of the hearings or are you basing your opinion on right wing rhetoric? It sure sounds like the right wing rhetoric that has enabled Trump's corruption.
Nowhere close to succeeding? I disagree. What if Pence had obediently gotten into that car? What if he had shown his usual lack of spine, accepted those fake electors and gone along with Eastman to take just one little step away from the law? What if Trump and his crowd had been a tad more competent?
What if the courts and the “deep state” that upsets so many people hadn’t stood up on their collective hind legs and said “H**l no! We won’t go!”
What if …
Well, as another user pointed out, the hearings have served to collect and preserve tons of primary historical material for future study. We’ll figure it out in time.
You can what if anything, all day long.
The facts are, they came nowhere close to succeeding.
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2 minutes ago, Beerman said:
You can what if anything, all day long.
The facts are, they came nowhere close to succeeding.
What facts are those? Because they came so close to succeeding that the narrative about the stolen election is STILL getting traction in republican circles that elevate liars who are legalizing the tools of the next couple.
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I couldn't believe that the editorial board would release this statement because that would piss off so many of their readers. The comment section seems to reflect that many of it's readers continue to support Trump. The comments look like a close horse race but, IMHO, he is losing steam with Republicans and is behaving like a very old man. I think increasing that the Trump die hards would go with Pence in the primary without losing their crazy credentials.